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Posted by Xaphod_x on 12-09-2001 01:51 AM:

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Posted by KillMeNow on 12-09-2001 02:18 AM:

the minbari would never hand over all there tech to human scientists never going to happen so the best tech is still going to be in the sharlin

and the reason we dont see much damage to the sharlin in in the begining etc is because the budget didn't rise to doing acurate damage modeling cause its a pain in the ass to do

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Posted by Mr. Fury on 12-09-2001 12:16 PM:

Oh yeah, one point from the ACTA:

When closing to the Shadow deathcloud Sheridan says something like this: "Our old weapons were ineffective, let's see how advanced this ship really is." In the Shadow War, there was many Sharlins. And it seems that when Excalibur scanned the cloud, it was first time when they really saw what's inside there. This would indicate that even Sharlins couldn't penetrate Shadows stealth.

By the way, Earth can't use their new tech or ships against the Minbari. The effect would be something like if Russia suddenly attacks USA, in the end the attacker would pay dearly of it's actions.

ISA was formed to keep peace and bring peace to restless areas. The job is much easier if the peacekeeping force have the best available tech to use and the best possible ships. We can't never be sure what's out there, and the new race (The Legend of the Rangers) proves this.

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Posted by Mr. Fury on 12-09-2001 12:37 PM:

OK OK OK.... Enough of this!

Can we have mutual agreement in following:

Upgraded Sharlin can have better technology than Victory, just depends if and what the Minbari will upgrade on Sharlins and how much it will cost.

(Upgrade from ITB and EA Civil war timeline to ACTA timeline)

OK? Please KMN... agree this... Otherwise my forehead wounds won't heal in ages!

Posted by KillMeNow on 12-09-2001 01:44 PM:

the reason the victory could scan teh death cloud was because it was using the earth sensors that were developed from shadow tech - earth didn't mind handing this tech over since we have no ship that could hide from normal minbari sensors so it cost us nothing but let us look like we were handing over all shadow tech we knew about - i still doubt the minbar would ever hand over all tere nasty tech to the isa however for you health =) i will agree that most sharlins would probally be taken by the vicotry since half of them are probally hundreds of years old - but a brand new one fitting with the latest tech - a sharlin would win - but the warlock-x takes them all =) hehehe

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Posted by Mr. Fury on 12-09-2001 02:43 PM:

Fair enough.

Posted by Angel Of Death on 12-09-2001 05:38 PM:

The Whitestars main beam is a vorlon/minbari neutron beam mix.A normal heay minbari neutron beam is improved with vorlon beam technology.
Someone claiming the Drakh armor is worster than the armor on the Warlock?Hmm the Drakh were the servants of the Shadows and they use organic armor on their ships,i doubt that the Warlock armor is better than the armor the Drakh use.
The VCD has very good arc of fire when taking into account all its weapon batteries,allso the rear beams seem to have pretty high maximum angle of fire because in the 1st ep of Crusade when the battle with the Drakh reinforcements had begun and we see a picture of the battle from long range,the Excalibur is firing with one of its rear beams in atleast a 40 degree angle this gives its whole rear beam battery a good arc of fire to cover the ship's
arse.

The VCD would win even without it's main gun.

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Posted by Zeronet on 12-09-2001 05:43 PM:

With its main gun it cant lose 1v1.

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Posted by KillMeNow on 12-09-2001 06:32 PM:

disagree totally - no evidence to suggest that the main beam of teh whitestar was vorlon enhnaced at all - its really not that powerful - and there is also no evidence to suggest drakh have bio armour certainly doesn't look liek they do and considering an omega can pound on there cruisers if it is its teh weakest bio armour ever

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Posted by KillMeNow on 12-09-2001 06:34 PM:

and someone close this topic since me and mr fury have fainlly agreed =)

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Posted by Angel Of Death on 12-10-2001 12:54 AM:

Do you happen to know of a game by AoG named Babylon 5 Wars? It has been stated canon by JMS himself so its canon on except if its contradicted by the show on something the Whitestars main beam is vorlon enhanced neutron cannon information from AoG so.The Drakh hae bioarmor again stated by B5 wars which is canon.

If you are talking about the scene in the first ep of Crusade where an Omega was chasing one Drakh cruiser,the cruiser was most propbly allready damaged from the battle in ACTA,it wasn't taking any damage from the shots the Omega fired except the last ones which damaged its rear,the Omega was totally destroyed the Cruiser just crashed and remained pretty well intact from the crash.

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Posted by KillMeNow on 12-10-2001 04:26 AM:

the drakh are wimps and none of the omegas weapons would even scratch a shadow or vorlon ship so no bioarmour - as for whitestar vorlon weaponary incase you haven't noticed can chop up anything in seconds- the white firepower is poxy poxy poxy - hell i can spit with more force than that

and babylon 5 wars isn't canon - otherwise we would have alot of canon ships that were never seen in the show - ha yet none of those ships are considered canon so why should i consider the info about the whitestars weapons

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Posted by IceFire on 12-10-2001 04:53 AM:

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the drakh are wimps and none of the omegas weapons would even scratch a shadow or vorlon ship so no bioarmour

Your kidding. An Omega firing its beams at full power is going to put a dent in whatever it fires at. I'll admit that it hasn't got a chance against whatever its shooting at, but its not just going to glance of the side. The FirstOnes are powerful, but its not just in their ships and in their weapons and they aren't THAT much better than everyone else....or Sheridan would haven't have had a chance.

AoG's B5 Wars, which I have played, is officialy authorized by JMS and Warner Bros. That does not make it canon. Its like Star Trek Armada II is officially authorized by Paramount through a deal with Activsion. That doesn't mean that the ship balance is representative of whats on the show in any way. Its a game, a different kind of game, but a game.

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Posted by nct000335 on 12-10-2001 02:16 PM:

Look, the Victory class IS the BEST, just face it. Have you ever seen a Sharlin fire its beams ALL at once, I havent. I seen the VCD do it. And by the why on ACTA, didnt Mr Garabauldi say that "once where done, YOU are going to have the leanest and meanest fleet on the block". I dont want to hear any more discussion of "If the VCD didnt have its main gun", the face is, it does have its main gun, and therefore a Sharlin is toooooast. Lifes not fair, just accept it.

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Posted by KillMeNow on 12-10-2001 02:20 PM:

i dont believe sheridan would have stood a chance in hell if they hadn't discovered that telepaths could jam and reduce the efftiveness of shadow ships or in smaller numbers or more telepaths stop them dead in space you may recal that nearly the entire narn fleet was destroyed by what 3 battlecrabs 4 at the most and it took 6 x-ray lasers to just burna tenticle off a shadowship - so i'd say an omega even weaponsa t full power would be hard pressed to damage a shadow ship unless it had afew minutes of uninterupted firing

and while the omega was destroyed by the drahk crusier i'd say there is no evidence that crusier was damamged before the chase infact from the battle in acta omegas seemed to do really quite nicely agaisnt the drakh - if anything i'd say the omega was damaged before the fight not the crusier and that crusier was killed it was just lucky it was close to a planet and remeber also that the omega was trying to disable the drakh ship so it could be captured and studied for containment systems for the virus

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Posted by IceFire on 12-10-2001 03:01 PM:

Your right Drakh ships aren't very powerful individually. Drakh ships are designed to work in groups with their medium class Raiders for the thrust of their offensive attack.

Those Narn beams did quite a bit of damage, its just that the Narns rarely even got to shoot. Thats the advantage the First Ones have, they really don't absorb that much more damage, but they are able to totally outmanuver and overwealm an opponent before they can do damage.

I think its probably a good idea to wind this discussion down in any case. Its been done to death.

Posted by Angel Of Death on 12-10-2001 03:17 PM:

Oh my god how can anyone be this hard headed.
B5 Wars is stated CANON by JMS and authorized so its canon get over it.It is canon in everything unless contradicted by the show and AoG defines the O-X weapons for example as light molecular cutters and so on.And besides the Whitestar puts together Vorlon and Minbari tech there is no damn sence in thinking that the weapons wouldn't allso be enhanced.

KMN are you stupid? It really doesn't mean **** that Shadow or Vorlon armor aren't even scratched by Omega's weapons.Whitestar got 2 big holes in it when an Omega fired its particle beams on it.All the bioarmor aren't the same.Oh and a Vorlon fighter was destroyed by a Thunderbolt so.

IceFire you are forgetting that the Shadows and Vorlons weren't even fully on the war if they would have started a total war they would have waped everything on their path.Since nothing really can stand up to a Vorlon Star Dreadnaught and the Vorlons had a lot of those or the 3km Shadow dreadnaughts,the Shadows and Vorlons were playing with the other races and competing on who would control and guide them.

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Posted by Londo Molari on 12-10-2001 04:43 PM:

You're new. I laugh at you.

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Posted by Starkiller on 12-10-2001 04:46 PM:

Sneak up on the back of a Star Dreadnought, and stay there, and it's a sitting duck.
A huge forward firing beam isn't everything, you know..

Posted by Alphakiller on 12-10-2001 04:53 PM:

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Oh my god how can anyone be this hard headed.
B5 Wars is stated CANON by JMS and authorized so its canon get over it.

OK, prove it. Burden of proof is on you here.

Second, I remember reading a canon source saying the hull and propulsion was Vorlon tech but the weapons were Minbari when regarding the White Star. Hence the Minbari/Vorlon MIX, otherwise it'd be pure Vorlon technology, just built by the Minbari.

So you're going to have to prove that one as well.

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