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Victory Vs Sharlin

CD; I seen before on this forum about the bebate about which ship would win if a Victory class destroyer and a Sharlin Warcruiser battled it out. I have one simple answer, the Victory would win. How do I justify this fact I here you cry, well its really quite simple. TheVictory has Quantum Gravititic beams that are based on vorlon tech and the Sharlin does not. SO THERE!!!!

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The Victory is actually fairly similar to the Sharlin in:
Drive system
Hull integrity
Armour
Sensors
Main beams

The Victory however has the advantages of better anti-fighter weapons and of course, it's main Vorlon beam

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It has only one Quantum discharge beam that is based on Vorlon tech, the rest of the beams are very similar to the Sharlins beams..

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If a Victory fires it's main beam at a Sharlin it will need to hit, because it will only get one shot.

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Yes, a Sharlin can finish off a Victory quite easily in 60 seconds, when it's floating dead in space.

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where tha hell did they get the vorlon main beam anyway did they go to vorlon but if they went there why didnt they take some antimater generators or something that would prevent them from floating dead in space for a minute like a seperate generator for the beam only?????

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BAH! Pointless topic...
Victory would win, without it's main gun.
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where tha hell did they get the vorlon main beam anyway did they go to vorlon

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This battle depends on several factors.

One; Is it a nose-to-nose slugfest, or an actual battle?

If the two ships were pointing at each other, standing still, about three kilometers apart, then my bet is that the battle would go to the victory. (hard to miss a stationary target)

If it was a real engagement, with both ships weaving around like mad, moving at best possible speed, and making use of their fighters, then I would probably be more likely to bet on the Sharlin. The Victory cannon is not terribly accurate, as I recall (They did MISS the weak spot of the death cloud in ACTA) so the battle ecomes proper use of the weapons. And let's not forget, Nials kick the living crap out of starfuries, so fighter superiority is definitely to the Sharlin.
All the sharlin has to do is move in such a way that the main beam guns of the victory cannot hit it, and they dare not fire the supercannon, then hammer the victory to death with what beam guns they have that can fire, and let the fighters do the hard part.

This is, of course, unless Sheridan is commanding this Victory, as I have a sneaking suspicion that several megatons of nuclear nastiness would be brought to bear on the sharlin.

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Hey! Lets look in this side even white star could win a Victory class. And what comes to that main beam I bet that it is a Mibari tech version of Vorlon dreadnought beam. Oh heck why didn't they just put 4-8 shadow beams in place of those Minbari beams. I bet that it would be a more dangerous thing then. Lets just face it most dangerous ship is Shadow battle crab or white star, because they got good armours and fast reloading weapons and they are most fastest ships in B5 universe.

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White star may be fast, but not very tough. They have a kind of Vorlon armor, but they can be destroyed by Omega's. A White Star is definetly no match for a Victory or a Sharlin. And don't forget the Vorlon Star Dreadnought. It can destroy a medium Battlecrab with a single blast.

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Victory would destroy the Sharlin with ease. It has reflective armour over 80% of the energy that hits the armour is disapated and disposed of. Even without its main Cannon a Victory would win.

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Originally posted by Zeronet
Victory would destroy the Sharlin with ease. It has reflective armour over 80% of the energy that hits the armour is disapated and disposed of. Even without its main Cannon a Victory would win.

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http://www.eon3d.com/misc/excalibur.htm

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Originally posted by Mr. Fury
http://www.eon3d.com/misc/excalibur.htm

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Hmm... Looks ok.

Someone want to convert that to FS2?

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I dont get how they always make the Bridges so vunerable. They should be buried deep within the deep or something.

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A few small points;

You keep mentioning that the sharlin design is a thousand years old. True. However, let's take a modern example here; B-52. It has been in service for an extremely long time, simce before vietnam. HOWEVER; it has been constantly upgraded as new technologies become available.

If you would like to think that the Minbari have not upgraded the design in the past milennium, I cannot deny you your right to fool yourself.

This 'very best of both earth and Minbari armor' does the victory very little good. it's like saying 'we have this super strong alloy that is a combination of tissue paper and titanium.' Perhaps not so extreme, but certainly no better than 2 ply and aluminum.

So it can absorb 80% of focused energy attacks. If i'm not mistaken, the Sharlin's cannons are neutron guns. Most of their power is in molecular decay and physical impact. (That's why I love particle guns. Even balanceof physical attack and energy attack)

And, as has been pointed out before, crystals may be wonderful at redirecting energy attacks, but physical impact is not very healthy for them.

Also, let us not forget my personal favorite strategy for dealing with ISA and EA ships; They fall victim to Super Star Destroyer syndrome; 'Let's put the entire command crew and the greater portion of our control systems in the only room on the ship with more than one window.'

Easiest way to destroy the victory; focus a laser, an old-fashioned visible light laser with a power rating somewhere in the hundreds of gigawatts, and melt the bridge out of the ship from the inside. Even if the bridge windows polarize, they won't be able to do so fast enough to stop at least temporary blindness in the entire bridge crew, and more than likely third degree sunburns.

Or, get a suicidal nial pilot to ram the bridge going at around 4kps.

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Actually the Victorys armour was "plasteel-crystalline alloy". Where the plasteel(also used in the warlock) works against physical impacts and crystalline deflects energy.

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As I said earlier, Victorys only weak spot is indeed that stupid bridge.

Depending on the range between the Sharlin and Victory... The Vic might disable Sharlins guns pretty fast with those cool anti-fighter gatling gun thingys... Thats byebye for Sharlins so called 'superior firepower'...

Why would ISA design and construct new Warship if Sharlins are better? Why not just use them (perhaps with little modifications first). Minbari are, after all, 'the main force supporting' the alliance. The main gun is totally crap (Vic most likely produces enought energy to maintain continius fire vith its main beams, so why bother to make the ship defenceless for 60 seconds. I can think many ways to spend that time more efficently). So that cant be the reason for new design.
So, the only reasonable explanation is that the Victory can kick Sharlins ass. Yes?

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Originally posted by Prophet
As I said earlier, Victorys only weak spot is indeed that stupid bridge.

Depending on the range between the Sharlin and Victory... The Vic might disable Sharlins guns pretty fast with those cool anti-fighter gatling gun thingys... Thats byebye for Sharlins so called 'superior firepower'...

Why would ISA design and construct new Warship if Sharlins are better? Why not just use them (perhaps with little modifications first). Minbari are, after all, 'the main force supporting' the alliance. The main gun is totally crap (Vic most likely produces enought energy to maintain continius fire vith its main beams, so why bother to make the ship defenceless for 60 seconds. I can think many ways to spend that time more efficently). So that cant be the reason for new design.
So, the only reasonable explanation is that the Victory can kick Sharlins ass. Yes?

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