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The one thing i didn't find belivable about babylon 5 was the tech level of the first ones. They still use hyperspace andtheir ships can be destroyed by not so many younger races ships. If they were billions of years old they must of surely been more advanced.

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Just face it mackie ST tech is far supirior, new trek show, Sept. 26 on UPN yahoo!

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does It MATTER!!!!
b5 is easily the better show and that's all that matters !

now someone close this topic before someone answers back wiv
"b5 has more powerful ships"
"no star trek has more powerful ships"
otherwise this topic would never end

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Did you hear? England 5 - Germany 1!!!!!!
Did You See? England 1 - Argentinia 0!!!!!

Heh, the Trek people could just get Q or Kevin Uxbridge to off any species they don't want around anymore.

i had thought about mentioning him but technically hes not a ship lol hes a god lol - they do tend to have rather dramatic powers - but it is probally time this topic ended. spcially since i have won hehe =)

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Trek wins this one easily!

Trek phasers can reach as far as 300K Km, while torpedoes go as far as 3.5 mil Km. The Lexington (B5:ITB) destroyed the Blackstar with 2 2Km nukes (and not much energy impacted upon the Sharlin, since the explosion was sphereical), while a photon torpedo has a 540MT yield and phasers (Type X) emmit 7MT/sec. All that disregarding the Krenim Temporal Weapons ship, Q, The Borg, Species 8472, and the 29th century feds, all of which could run through anything that comes their way.

Great looking renders, though

Oh dear God help me!

I never EVER thought I would be saying this about Star Trek and B5 but.....

THEY'RE NOT REAL! THEY'RE TV SHOWS! THE PEOPLE AND TECHNOLOGIES THEY DEPICT HAVE NEVER EXISTED IN REAL LIFE! So all your arguing is pointless because in all probability WE'LL NEVER KNOW!!!!

Which is probably a good job too. Imagine if the technologies existed and Mackie and Killmenow had them:

<<Admiral Mackie, hanging in low earth orbit, taunts his foe on Moonbase Killmenow>>

Mackie: Ha! You puny fool! Do you think your pitiful Genesis torpedo can possibly penetrate my Sharlin armour? Pathetic!

Killmenow: Oh yeah? Well take this....!

KABLOOEY!!!!

<<the world is left a smouldering, lifeless, cinder, drifting in space>>

Killmenow: ...Oops!

Mackie: Ha! Missed me!

Have you never seen Galaxy Quest? Or the infamous William Shatner "Get a life" sketch on Saturday Night Live? You've all thought about this far too much. Go and read a book or something!

.....and I DON'T mean a ST or B5 technical manual, either!

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THEY'RE NOT REAL! THEY'RE TV SHOWS! THE PEOPLE AND TECHNOLOGIES THEY DEPICT HAVE NEVER EXISTED IN REAL LIFE! So all your arguing is pointless because in all probability WE'LL NEVER KNOW!!!!

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Ok, there is one thing that seems to not have been considered. The dates. I don't have any ref manuals with me, this is all from memory. Star trek is set in the year 3000, b5 is 2250's. 750 year difference!!! Look at the rate the EA is progressing, they are already developing artificial gravity, and they can destroy a planet. Look what sheidan did to za'ha'dum!!! WIth the 1st ones ships, look what they could do to the other races, it may take not to many ships to take them out, but look how much they would take with them. And while we are arguing, look at this, the first ones may be several thousand years old, but most of that was peace time. How do the 1st ones who went beyond the rim supposedly several thousand years ago communicate with their brethren still here? I mean those ships were reallllllllly old, and they still could kick any younger race's ship one on one.

oh, B5 is better

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I think Truespace designers had murpy's law in mind...

Actually Trek is somewhere in 2300-2400.

Aaaaarg! This subject again.

Allow me to end the argument.

Trek tng phazers fire at 5mw per second typicaly for one to two second bursts, a Trek tng torpedo yields 140,000mt of force and has a blast radius of half a kilometer. A naval battleship of today could take a hit like that and stay afloat! ONE PULSE from a capital ship pulse weapon in B5 is between 50 and 550mw! And lazer/particle weapons in B5 fire at 1700mw per second often for more than five seconds!

Even if you put aside the fact that B5 ships utilize newtonian physics, two or three solid hits with any light weapon would utterly obliterate ANY vessel in the trek universe, bar NONE! Trek ships are created along the idea that space vessels would be very fragile. B5 ships apparently have overcome this inherent problem with space travel.

Bottom line- a Hyperion with a hangover could take on the entire federation fleet.

Besides
Trek universe- "sir, our shields are down to 44% and I spilt my coffee"
B5 universe- "sir the front half our our f**king ship just got blown away and I spilt my bowels!"

What's cooler really!?!

I was a trekkie- then I watch B5 for the first time. Never looked back.

And I'm a bigger nerd than any of you.
"Kirk could kick Picards ass any day."
"Could not!"
"Could too!"
"Could not!"
"Could too!"
"Could not!"
"Could too!"
"Could not!"
"Could too!"

Hope I could settle this.

Oh, and atleast B5 is consistent in thier tech and history. Trek is getting worse than Marvel comics...

B5 hasn't always been consistant. The magical changing size of the WhiteStar for instance.

However, its still been very good at keeping things very close to consistancy and that is a huge plus. As to which space battles are cooler, Babylon 5's are better bar none than anything else we've seen.

I expect the same from Rangers.

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a naval ships of today could withstand 1400,00megaton blast????? you do realise that is thousands of times larger than any nuke on the planet today - and federation torps as i pointed out are 25 isoton's much larger number - most destructive weapon in b5 that has ever been sen 500megaton bomb - hell i'd say if they wanted to they could build one that big now - whiel admit if we go by tech manuals b5 beams are stronger - i would counter with phasers being far more advnaced hence needing less power to cause more dmanage casue most of the damage from phasers is not cuased by raw power but the rapid nadeon effect.

federation weapons can be fires fora a very long time - several time they have used them to drill into planets and were firing for a long time - also the same array can fire mulitple blasts at the same time from diferenet segments.

but anyway Abersoch - your right its all make believe anyway but its fun and i have an irristable urge to correct people lol so when people claim that a 500Mt nuke is bigger and more deadly than a 52.3 isoton quantum torpedo then i just have to chirp in - and i'm sure i wouldn't miss with my genesis torpedo hmmmmm but just to make sure i get him i'll lauch a trilithium torpedo at the sun =) moeeeeeehhhhhhhaaaaaaaahwhahahaaaaaaaa

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as for space battles i'm hoping for something pretty spectucular from starwars epsiode 2 and 3 - and the next star trek film sounds liek there will be alot of fighting in it =) but they kill data =(

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I bring up the topic of interceptors again- don't forget that the beam weapons on say... the Omega-X, or probably any other ship, would be able to track and destroy a Photon Torpedo despite it's speed, since the beams travel at near light speed.
Or you could just take down the trek ship before it fires.

Excalibur vs Enterprise

Somestartrekcharacter "Sir! We have an anomylous contact!"
Someotherstartrekcharacter "Oh no! This is like, my worst fear man! Do I fire on it? Don't I DoIDon'tIDoIDon'tI (etc etc...)"

Mean while onboard the Excalibur

SomeB5Character "Sir! We have an enemy ship dead ahead"
Sheridan "Fire main guns. See you in hell"

#Whhhooooooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmpppppppppp
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh#

And the battle goes to the Excalibur due to kickass beams and a crappy star trek script.

Oh, and if you want to get the real classic star trek feel, just insert a sweaty scotsman into the first example while he's shouting "She cannae take any more cap'n!"

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140,000 METRIC tons. Sorry I should have clarified that.

comparing B5 to startrek is not logical
theres no pint of reference to compare the 2. even though some nunbers were pointed out they differ from person to person , too much desinformation.
It is only a TV show so no point to say what if this hapened what if that hapened, Like, you know what the creator of the series thinks about these assumptions? anything else is speculation, rubbish.Besides they have a very different conseption philosofy.
I have never seen such a nonsense debate here with so many people in it. its rather pathetic some of these posts.
dont embarass yourselves with this anymore.

stick with B5 exclusively at least you can imagine what can happen in a given scenario for the MOD based on what We have actualy seen on B5 universe.

even if the beams could intercept a torp which they couldn't - beam migh go at near lightspeed but if they can miss a white star which speed is far from great far far far far far less thana torpedo a torpedo can get to 0.993c thats 99.3% the speed of light and if fireed while at warp velocity they stay at warp and could imapct the target if lanaced at warp 9.9 at about hm let me check thats in the region of about 9000 times the speed of light the kenetic damage from that would destroy any b5 ship

and as i states my figures come from the star trek tech manuals for the next generation adn from deep space nine

as for star trek first encounters it would be hm raise sheilds yellow aleart open hailing frequencyies - sir they are charging weapon evasive manevers disable there weapons - yes sir - mean while the main guns of the excalibre are powering up the entprise is already behind the the excalibre and has takenout its weapon cause phasers power up very fast indeed

also how offen do b5 ships miss????? quite offen - whenw as the last time a federation starship miss? phasers are acaurate enough to disable ships

and about general tech even the smallest ship can enter warp by itself where a fighter in b5 needs ajump point

at warp 9.9 it would take about 10 hours to get from epsilon eridani to earth - it took athe white star either 2 or 4 days arghhhh there are just so many reasons why star trek tech is better nothing in b5 could survive a single photon torpedo let alone a quantum one - the ships are faster have transporters - inertial dampners - perfect articfical gravity - structureal ingetricty feilds emergency containment feilds incase of hull breach - replicators - tractor beams - even the hand held weapons are superior - tricorders with better sensors than a minbari warships for gods sake - ok slight exergation there but its only there range - they can detect subspace anomilies the works

i remember one ep of crusade that they rescured captain lockley adn tehy had to ram her ship to do it - in star trek tractor beams hell transport the whole god damn fighter into ashuttle bay and would only nneed ot drop out of warp for a fraction of a second

arghhhhhhhhh people who are so blind annoy me - need i point out again that a 500 mega ton nuke was the most powerful weapon ever seen in b5 and thats POXY - pathetic tiny and wouldn't even rock the enterprise - it can take a 52.3 isoton blast - admittedly its sheilds wont have much power left but the ship will still be instact

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Well, just for B5's sake, I think the Excalibur probably has the same gravitic engine based tractor beams that a Sharlin would, since they have similar engines. The only reason that it had to ram her Starfury was because there was a prickish top-brass type person telling them they had to get to Earth ASAP, and could not stop for anything, so Gideon -didn't- stop.