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what you think of these & questions

well i got bored so i decided to post my stuff on here too since spacebattles is down


my first explosion pic:
http://www.headpaingraphs.com/renders/k001.jpg

my first own made lightning pics:
http://www.headpaingraphs.com/renders/ds9.jpg
http://www.headpaingraphs.com/renders/depafcont.jpg


if you want to see the rest of my work and comment on them go ot
headpaingraphs.com/renders

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those are cool as hell m8 make us a whitestar kicking the defaint or another startrek ships ass

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The renders look great Mackie

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I don't want to sound like a stupid trekkie, but if the trek ships were to scale wouldn't they completely obliterate the b5 ships? Trek ships (though much wussier) at a lot bigger on average than B5 ships. For reference I'm talking TNG here because that's what the renders look like to me.

btw B5 is a much better show than Trek (the Trek ships are just bigger)

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ive also made some ship desigs during the years and here are the best of them, there might be some ****ed up scales with guns and **** but still hey, hell theyre even popular, some of you might have already seen some of these


Accolade


Arrakis (Avalon refit)


Percele





and to add, star trek ships are -NOT- bigger than b5 ships

ST scales go around 300m - 700m
while B5 scales go around 850m - 2000m

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some more:

Samson MK I


Samson MK II


Avalon MK I


Avalon MK II

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As much I try to avoid geeky discussions like this, I must chime in to agree that most any 'trek ship could roast a B5 ship.

Mostly the lack of shields and fast-than-light travel would be the reason. And that's leaving out transporters and tractor beams.

Maybe the Shadow or Vorlon ship would put up a good enough fight to at least make it interesting.


Oh, and I guess I have to cover myself by agreeing that B5 is way better on a per episode basis than ST. Hell, the good episode to bad episode ratio is almost inversely proportional!

Now if only B5 could get with Star Trek’s “even numbered movies don’t suck” rule.

Lastly, did anyone else see the avi someone made of the Star Trek vs. Babylon 5 vs. Star Wars three-way battle? I have it shared on Direct Connect (neo-modus.com) if anyone hasn’t seen it.

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I forgot to say some thing on topic, Nice work!

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erm
trek weapons are weak
trek shields are weak
trek armours are weak

B5 weapons are strong
B5 needs no wussy shields
B5 armours are so goddamn hard that there are no need for shields

for example Minbari can rip through Federation anyday

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i disagree a quantum torpedo is more firepower than an entire fleet of sharlins - its an anitmatter warhead with some quantum dohickey that creates adn even bigger bang when teh antimatter si triggered - a little old fusion bomb litterally thousands if not millions of times weaker can destroy even shadow and vorlon ships yet one torp although quatum toprs can take small ships with jsut one the enterprise could take at least 2 or 3

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another thing image to the shock and terro of an earth allinace captian of a min=bari whne a photon torpedo materirlase ont ehre bridge witha little not saying eat pure energy suckers

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mackie its not about which is the better series, b5 obviously, but star ships are more powerful

i believe the enterprise d is about 1450 m actually (i know its over a km) and would compare roughly to an omega in size, this said its about 3 times as wide and thinner. trek shields are not weak, an excelisor class (back in kirks day....best to compare this cos its around the same time line) survived the shockwave of a planet exploding....this wouldnt happen in b5, also trek weapons are a lot more accurate and powerful, taking a fusion bomb from itb...basically taking out a sharlin.....now the torpedos in trek are much more powerful than a fusion bomb.


of course this is my comparing to the best of my ability, but its pretty hard to compare with all the inconsistances in trek, and some in b5, so the baseline from which you judge each series firepower is always undefined.

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hey mackie,
u already know this but i'll tell u again Those ARE EXCELLANT!
B5 is obviously better then trek and i dont care which is more powerful because it dont matter

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mackie its not about which is the better series, b5 obviously, but star ships are more powerful

i believe the enterprise d is about 1450 m actually (i know its over a km) and would compare roughly to an omega in size, this said its about 3 times as wide and thinner. trek shields are not weak, an excelisor class (back in kirks day....best to compare this cos its around the same time line) survived the shockwave of a planet exploding....this wouldnt happen in b5, also trek weapons are a lot more accurate and powerful, taking a fusion bomb from itb...basically taking out a sharlin.....now the torpedos in trek are much more powerful than a fusion bomb.


of course this is my comparing to the best of my ability, but its pretty hard to compare with all the inconsistances in trek, and some in b5, so the baseline from which you judge each series firepower is always undefined.

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still i disagree, if you want the truth (which i am saying) visit spacebattles.com someday. when its up ofcourse, should be around 20th

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ok here is my take on it.

they are impossible to compare cause the are based purley diffrent technoligies and point of views

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Hmmmm...
Ok, I'll concede the point that the Quantum Torpedo's are far more powerful than most B5 weapons (not forgetting that according to non cannon theory, the main gun on the excalibur is actually an Anti-matter stream- and even if it isn't it's hella powerful), your forgetting two things-
1) Interceptors- they could shoot down any incoming quantum torpedos with relative ease
and 2) (I'm not sure about my sources here) but the Vree have teleportation tech
I reckon even an Earth Alliance ship such as a hyperion could give up a bit of a fight, although it would take something with more firepower such as an omega to win. When it comes to Minbari, I think it's be a bit one sided on the Minbari's side, especially cause have you SEEN how many weapons it has on it? :P

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the enterprise had something in teh order of 16 or so phaser banks - more dont know how many the sharlin has but thenentrpises arrays are huge and can track and fire along a huge arc - and torps would enver get shot down - they were designed to be the primary wapr speed weapon they move at near the speed of light when fired subwarp and if fire while at warp speed they maintain the speed give to them - combined with the fact if you compare speeds of the ships up until recently earth alliance ships are forces to accelerate at best 5 g's the enterprise can go from standing still to half the speed of light in seconds and can go to warp just as quickly.

now if a sharlin take a little while to secumb to shadow beam fire yet can be destroyed by a small tactical nuke almost out of range then its safe to say there hull strengh isn't up toa unshielded federation hull let alone one with ablative armour and sheilding

one quantum torpedo from star trek would have neded the battle of the line in a masicre for the minbari - provided you could get them all closes enough =) hehe - but as other have said comparing tech is pointless - the shows are based completely differently - star trek is more idealistic - the tech has far more finness

while b5 the fact that its all alittle more primative and bruteforce style - we assoisate with it better and with the culture which is more like our own - there is crime - there is war - there is underhanded politics - none of which is seen in star trek - cruime is a think of the past - money is a thing of the past all thigns that serve to alienate us from the show but in a way draw us in also cause its a far nicer world than the one we live in

i have my suspcions that the new star trek shouw - enterprise will be far more like b5 but from a star trek angle - the tech will be primative - no shields - lasers not phasers - probally missiles not photon torpedos. there will be a darker side to life back home on earth. hopefully the show will live upto my hopes and be star trek b5 style - however i will miss the luxurys of shields and such - was really nice efefct seeing phasers pummleing shields

anyway both are good shows b5 might have it just - would have been alot better primarily becasue of the story arc but was let down by season 5 badly - the problems with getting it confirmed showed sadly. star trek on teh other hand all its shows are pretty consistant but without the dark sinister story leading you from the very first epsidoe all the way through to the last it is lacking something

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i suppose you wanted the truth, its quickly made tho

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Hey if you take out that science bullcrap thats in ST they wouldnt last a minute...

Just last week the delta flyer rammed a planet and sank 3 KM into it it dosent matter if the delta flyer survived the passengers would have died anyway How fast do you have to travel to be able to plow trough 3km of har rock

ST is ultra unrealistic and is sheer and utter cr@p

BTW Bab5 would bet the Cr@ap out of any ST ship

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Hey if you take out that science bullcrap thats in ST they wouldnt last a minute...

Just last week the delta flyer rammed a planet and sank 3 KM into it it dosent matter if the delta flyer survived the passengers would have died anyway How fast do you have to travel to be able to plow trough 3km of har rock

ST is ultra unrealistic and is sheer and utter cr@p

BTW Bab5 would bet the Cr@ap out of any ST ship

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exactly

like my friend said about STs and B5s power calcs:

"ST's problem is that there are so MANY numbers they conflict most of hte time. Ranging from "Stroll through supernova" to "Someone stomps too hard on the floor, we blow up"

and about B5

"Of course we have exactly THREE weapons firepower numbers. The 2 MT nuke in ITB, the 600 MT nuke in ITF and the 200 GW pulse cannon in that epp I can't remember.
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