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Posted by karajorma on 05-20-2002 02:57 PM:

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Originally posted by FSF Ashrak
the second thing is if the stars gravityc force was distrupted it would explode with its VERY big amounts of hydrogen and well blow the **** out of everything in its radius it would leave a nebula behind the blast because a lot of stellar material is vaporised into verry unthick dust and because of the gravity it dosent go anywhere (yes, that is how nebulaes have become well nebulaes) thats why in freespace you can actully fly around in that space at normal speed ofcourse youll have to give the fighter a shower after your flight because of the micro stellar dust

Doesn't explain why ships can fly at normal speeds outside of the nebula though. The amount of dust in normal space is nowhere near enough to slow down a ship quickly.
The ships in freespace travel slowly cause of one of two reasons

1) [V] don`t understand physics that well (or prefer the gameplay this way)

2) Freespace ships use an inertialess drive of some sort (e.g on based on gravity instead of reaction engines).

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Posted by karajorma on 05-20-2002 02:57 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by FSF Ashrak
the second thing is if the stars gravityc force was distrupted it would explode with its VERY big amounts of hydrogen and well blow the **** out of everything in its radius it would leave a nebula behind the blast because a lot of stellar material is vaporised into verry unthick dust and because of the gravity it dosent go anywhere (yes, that is how nebulaes have become well nebulaes) thats why in freespace you can actully fly around in that space at normal speed ofcourse youll have to give the fighter a shower after your flight because of the micro stellar dust

Posted by IceFire on 05-20-2002 03:11 PM:

3) FreeSpace is a game and traveling at relativistic velocities is not fun.

Tachyons as far as I know have not yet been properly identified. A Tachyon is a term made up by scientists to classify "stuff" (because I don't know really) that travels faster than the speed of light.

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Posted by Stargazer_2098 on 05-20-2002 04:10 PM:

Tachyon-space, reality or speculation?

Warning: long post....

Superstring teory clearly states that there are a infinitive amont of other universes out there, all seperated by 11 extra-dimensions at the subatomic-scape. Three of those dimensions include our own universe and two others, as I said in the post above.
The tachyon-universe is being discussed right now; and its existence is not yet a scientific fact. Its speculation, as it is no known metods for braking out of our own universe that we know of.
The tachyon-scape (populary called tachyon-space) is supposedly a 3D-scape like our own, and consists of the some what same construction-blocks as well.
The primary superstring of tachyon-space is the tachyon-string; another speculation as well.

The teory goes that all stars, whatever size and mass, transmits energy in form of super-fast strings. In our own dimentional-scape, it is not possible to travel faster then the speed of light; while in tachyon-space (alias the sci-fi name "subspace") this may be possible.
The super-fast strings are the so-called tachyon-strings, strings that travels many tousand times faster then the light in tachyon-space. This creates a tachyon-current, connecting to the closest star and transfering tachyon-strings from star to star.
The currents starts in the black hole in the middle of every spiral-galaxy like our own, and transmits energy form one star to the next one. These currents can also go one-way to any matter like nebulas and planets.
Only stars can transmitt tachyon-particles, while the streams to planets and nebulas is only one-way ticket.
This prossess makes the galaxy rotate, and maby even makes the universe expand as there might be huge streams leading from galaxy to galaxy.
This teory (note that I said: theory ) completly rules out the existance of "dark matter", but it is also needed to prove the existence of superstrings.

As for zero-space, it is, in theory, a scape of reality that is infinite, but also empty. It can not hold any form of matter, no light, no gravity, nothing. It is zero "0", both infinitive and nothing. An infinite nothingness, you might call it. This may sound a little strange, but I am not the one that created this theory (Cant remember the name of the one that did...)
It is some kind of shield, a 11th dimension of our reality, taht shields us form the many other universes out there. I dont remember the exact theory of it tough.

Oh and also, I know what a supernova is. In the example i told in the posts above, I used a un-natural death of a star. In reality, such a death is impossible, and I dont think it will ever be possible whatever what sort of technology you use.
However, if we one day could find a way to breach into tachyon-space, we could "ride" the streams and travel faster then the speed of light.
Just think, traveling from here to Proxima Centauri (the nearest star) would not take 4.3 years if you where traveling with the speed of light. In tachyon-space such a journey could be done within secounds, if not minutes.

I dont know why you didnt get any hits at google when searching for tachyon-streams or zero-space. I have tried to search for it myself, but couldnt find it either.
This is probably as the theory is very much speculation, and as it is very new as well, not many websites would have put it up before we know a little more about tachyons and zero-space.
But I am not just making this all up. If I just could remember where I heard about this... To bad tough, my memory is a little rusty. I can remember most of the darn theory, but not where I heard it from. Oh well, I gues we all are going to hear more abotu it in the future, when it moves from speculation to possible science...

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Posted by Stargazer_2098 on 05-20-2002 04:10 PM:

Tachyon-space, reality or speculation?

Posted by IceFire on 05-20-2002 04:55 PM:

So to make a very simple connection to FreeSpace here....subspace corridors that allow travel between star systems in FreeSpace are somewhat like these Tachyon streams that your talking about. Ride the stream, see the universe

Now as for Capella being artificially induced to supernova I read that it wasn't that impossible. Essentially what I think the Shivans did is open a subspace portal inside the star....thus transfering the energy to subspace, thus creating an imbalance in the processes going on in the star, thus making it explode.

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Posted by Stargazer_2098 on 05-20-2002 05:35 PM:

I belive that it might be possible to open a portal to subspace, or as I prefer to call it; tachyon-space, by having two or possibly four rings spinning around a central point in the universe. Each ring could then be charged with magnetism or something like that, something very strong and powerfull that would create so much energy that it would make the superstrings stop vibrating. The rings would have to move at a speed close to the sci-fi WARP 0.5 (half the speed of light).
If this was possible, we would have some sort of portal opened between our own, and the tachyon-scape. Then you could send a starship into this disrubtion-field. Any mather in tachyon-space would go FTL due to the extreme amonts of tachyon-particles. The ship you send trough most be made of a extremely strong material to not be blown to shreads by the voilative particles. An force-field or other types of energy-shield would quickly cease to operate due to the havy bombardment of micro-particles.
If the ship was strong enough to survive the wild journey to Proxima Centauri, or any other star, it would literally be thorwn out of tachyon-space and back into normal space near a planet or other object. This is becaouse the stream would "sort out" any bigger objects then tachyon-particles, and deliver those to the objects that could not send particles (like planets, nebulas, and so on). But of course, if you are extremly unlucky and is not sorted out, you could end your days in the core of a star, as thats where all streams goes and returns from.

If you could open a portal inside the core of a star, you could start a infinitive tachyon-reflux. Then boom; explotion as the core grows and jetisons the other layer of the star in a voilative electromagnetic wave.
Then the core would start to implode under the pressure of gravity, but it wouldnt stop there, as new tachyons are constantly evolving, and need more room. So the star would jetison these particles into the 11 different dimentions, starting a zero-space cataclysm as I described a few posts back.
Tachyons cannot exist outside of tachyon-space, because they move to fast. This woud create the atom-crushing, superstring-seperating wave of Armageddon, that could destroy anything in a radius of several lightyears.
Might be possible if you have the tech, but not a pretty sight to say at least...

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Posted by Stargazer_2098 on 05-20-2002 05:35 PM:

Posted by FSF Ashrak on 05-20-2002 07:18 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by IceFire
So to make a very simple connection to FreeSpace here....subspace corridors that allow travel between star systems in FreeSpace are somewhat like these Tachyon streams that your talking about. Ride the stream, see the universe

Now as for Capella being artificially induced to supernova I read that it wasn't that impossible. Essentially what I think the Shivans did is open a subspace portal inside the star....thus transfering the energy to subspace, thus creating an imbalance in the processes going on in the star, thus making it explode.

makes sence some of the stars mass removed and as i earlier sayd C YA

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Posted by Ashark on 05-20-2002 07:18 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by IceFire
So to make a very simple connection to FreeSpace here....subspace corridors that allow travel between star systems in FreeSpace are somewhat like these Tachyon streams that your talking about. Ride the stream, see the universe

Now as for Capella being artificially induced to supernova I read that it wasn't that impossible. Essentially what I think the Shivans did is open a subspace portal inside the star....thus transfering the energy to subspace, thus creating an imbalance in the processes going on in the star, thus making it explode.

makes sence some of the stars mass removed and as i earlier sayd C YA

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Posted by karajorma on 05-20-2002 10:03 PM:

There's only one problem I have with all this. It's still ALL theory. AFAIK no experiment has proved superstring theory any more correct than any any other credible competing theory. There could be dark matter, It could all be neutrinos for all we know.
There's no reason to believe that superstring theory might not all go the same way as phlogiston and the universal aether.

For those who aren`t scientists (and maybe some who are!) Phlogiston was used to explain why candles couldn`t burn for ever in an enclosed space (they gave out phlogiston) and the aether was used to explain how EM radiation could travel through a vacuum.

The important point here is that there was nothing wrong with either theory but they didn`t support the data that was eventually obtained.

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Posted by IceFire on 05-20-2002 11:16 PM:

Instead of big magnetic coils, what about just getting your spacecraft to resonate at the same frequency. Thats also supposed to be how FS2's drives work and apparently thats also based on something of the superstring theory (although I have no idea what).

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Posted by Black Sheep 2000 on 05-21-2002 12:06 PM:

Interesting...can't say, that I understand everything, but it's interesting...

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Posted by Black Sheep 2000 on 05-21-2002 12:06 PM:

Interesting...can't say, that I understand everything, but it's interesting...

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Posted by hayabusa on 05-21-2002 03:03 PM:

it`s true the superstring theory hasn`t been confirmed, but wh knows when it could be. It`s like other thing- remember gravitons(not sure if it is the correst English word, but I mean the quants of the gravity- as there should be something like this according to the theory ), which , due to the Theory , should exist and it is still not confirmed.

In Supernova ( don`t forget Nova is completely another kind of star`s explosion) you will have several shockwaves, fast expanding nebula, consistng of not so dense but very hot gas, and strong radiation: radiowaves, gamma, X ray, neutrinos.
probably the list is not complete, and don`t forget the light (but) and the remnants of the star`s nudge: pulsar, black hole or white dwarf, in case of the smaller stars. AFAIR, the whole mechanism of the Supernova explosion is still not so well known - for example the Hubble`s photos of the SN1987A revealed shockwaves which were quite a surprise ( and look almoust exactly like shockaves in the FS2 -ah now I`m sure you saw these photos! ).

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