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victory has better anti fighter defence than sharlin???????????/ as i recall the sharlin vapes fighters with its beam cannons and almost never misses - only ever seen missing once and that was because sinclair was the target, sharlins antifighter defnce is amazing far better than the victory in my opinion is also has more beam cannons -s ure the vorlon gun is good if you need to destroy something in a hurry but i'd say its not a great idea to use it at all - but on the upside its armour appears to take a much harder hit than the sharlins can

it think it would be a close fight to be honest - i would bet money the sharlin is more maneuverable so would probally be able to keep out of the victorys forward arc and on its flanks the vicoty can bring only about 2 beams to bear on target a sharlin can get an alful lot of them to target ship ojn its flanks thats why they are on stalks - lets teh fire in just about a 360 degree firing cone - and as someone pointed out nials are better than even thunderbolts so i might jsut about put my money on the sharlin but it comes down the battle tecnically the victory can probally unload more firepower but will it be useful? as someone else said if they miss with there main cannon they are dead

funny when i was reading teh topic i was set to agree with mr fury there but when i started writing i reliesed the sharlin porply is in most respects a better ship - and just for fun the warlock could take a sharlin and the victory mooowwwhahhahaaaaaaaa aaaaahahhaaaaaa

ohhhh as for the neutron cannons - a neuton cannon would be pointless it would do very littel damamage at all - since it wouldn't really interact with the atoms of the ship and would jsut fly striaght through them cause as we all know atoms are mostly made up of empty space between the electron sheels and the nucleus soa neucton cannon would jsut pass straight through the ship abit like a neutrino gun lol =) also all the beams in b5 have to be particle beams otherwise we would not see them

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umm, killmenow, you do realise that netron to atom collisions are what cause fission reactions, right? In a controlled environment, these just degrade your atomic fuel down to lead, producing large amounts of heat and electromagnetic energy. In an uncontrolled one, this can cause a nuclear explosion, or at the very least nuclear meltdown.

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I have no idea which ship is the better, they cancelled crusade too early for me

corrections: The armor of the victory REFRACTS 80% of weapons.

KillMeNow the guns of a sharlin probably have more of a 180 degree fire arc than a 360...

The victory was only in the Prototype stages... I heard it was supposed to be out-fitted with bio armor and upgraded later but the Drakh conflict erupted and this was cancelled and the victory was called into duty.

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The victory was only in the Prototype stages... I heard it was supposed to be out-fitted with bio armor and upgraded later but the Drakh conflict erupted and this was cancelled and the victory was called into duty.

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I think it really comes down to the abilities of the commander. For example, Gideon could probably slag the Sharlin if the Minbari captain was new, or just an average commander. On the other hand he'd get his butt kicked if say, Neroon was commanding the Sharlin.
I also think in many ways the Victory was made to supplement the ships of allience member races, and to be a flagship for the Rangers.
Also on the Sharlin vs. Warlock debate I hold above stated position. If it was Ivanova's Warlock, she'd win. Even if she had to steal Sheridan's nuke-'em idea.

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an excess of free neutrons induces a nuclear reaction they do not cause it - and you need an awful lot of them for enough to intereact and start the reaction (which can only ever be enduced in fissionable metals such as urianium and plutoniums etc and i boubt many ships hulls are made of that - trust me a weapon made up of neutrons would mostly pass stright through the target - some would hit - would be far better to use an ionised particles is it alpha or beta particles that are positivly charged cant remember been to long since i was at university but that would make a far more effecttive weapon since it would interact with both the nucleaus of the atom repeling and attracting the electrons - as they passed through at tremedous speed - thus ripped atoms to streads of at least imparting a force to them

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one other thing back to neutrinos - they are a neutrally charged particle - and several billion pass through you body every second - they pass through stars and planets pretty mcuh everything infact everthing - it is very rare that they acaully hit the atoms theat is why they are soooooooo difficult to detect but very occasiaonlly 1 hits - so for a neutal particle weapon to do damamge you would need to be firing on your target for afew years minimum for them to even notice and the concentration of partcles in the beam would need to be incredubully high - more likely the neutron cannon is a reference to the method the beam is produced probally a zero point system since the concepts involved i suppose at avery long shot you could call your neutron cannon

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It's pointless arguing that a Sharlin hits fighters/the other ship more often/easily than the Victory as the Victory uses targeting systems AT LEAST as good as on the Sharlin, possibly even Shadow-based EA tech (not outright Shadow tech).

The Victory can carry 50% more fighters than the Sharlin and Thunderbolts have a good combat ability against Nials, not least due to the combat ability of the EA pilots.

The main beams of the two ships are roughly the same in abilities, and yes the Vorlon beam on the Victory is good but unlikely to be used other than a risky, one-shot, last gasp weapon. It is more useful as a planetary bombardment weapon.

Also, both ships have similar fire arcs and engines, so the Sharlin outmanoevring the Victory is not really a valid arguament.

Armour - The Victory uses a hybrid armour, using Minbari crystalline technology in conjunction with a stronger (plasteel) base material. Even a Warlock has basically as good armour as a Sharlin.

Overall the Victory was built to be a superiority Cruiser - better one-on-one than any other known ship. It is certainly better than any other ship in the ISA as there would be no reason to build it if it did not take advantage of all available technologies. Also, why not just build Sharlins for the ISA if that is the best capital ship? The reason is that there is no reason unless there is a better ship available.

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Jesus Ch@"£#, In ACTA, why the hell did they send the victory to destroy the Death cloud when the could have sent the Sharlin.Its simple, the Victory is more advance. Also, the Death cloud was previously unreadable on sensors, but wait, the Victory manage to penetrate the the death Cloud. Also, what in the name of GREEK BUGERY is the point of building a ship that is supposed to keep the other races in line if it can't even take them on. THINK ABOUT IT, UMMM.

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Take point Sharlis and other ISA ships were protecting Earth and engage against Drakh fleet. Wedge of Omegas and Excalibur and Victory attacked against Death Cloud. And they destroyed it by ramming with Victory on it. That could be done even Omegas!

Actually Sheridan said that those where the only ships that could take it out. Oh and before I forget, do you really think that a Omega could make a ramming attept. It would have got vapourised before it even got off the ground. Need I remind you the Drakh focused all avalible firepower on the Victory, as well as the Shadow deathcloud weapons. Trust me, before it even got half way the Omega would have been toast, hell, even the Sharlin would have been toast. also, the reason the Excalibers main gun missed its target was because serval ships got in the way of the beam, in affect deflecting it. I did here someone say "main target missed by 0.6 degrees".

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Actually Sheridan said that those where the only ships that could take it out. Oh and before I forget, do you really think that a Omega could make a ramming attept. It would have got vapourised before it even got off the ground. Need I remind you the Drakh focused all avalible firepower on the Victory, as well as the Shadow deathcloud weapons. Trust me, before it even got half way the Omega would have been toast, hell, even the Sharlin would have been toast.

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Despite being a magnificent fireball, the Victory still had a mass of around one million tonnes and an impressive velocity when it impacted.

An Omega as well as being destroyed would have had its hull scattered so that any residual impact would have been minimal.

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i think its safe to assume if the vorlon sensors in the white stars couldn't scan it - the sensors were EA shadow tech that pentrated it since surely the shadows could scan there own stuff

but on the other hand the ea is very reluctant to admit anything to do with its shadow tech and just how involved theyy were with teh shadows - but its safe to assume earth tech tooka big leep remember those beam turrets on mars take out the whitestar 1 hit like those on the omega-x's - thats impressive weapons tech that that was in a small turret on the omega - image the power of those god platforms and the warlocks main guns

i'd say that the ship is aobut 40%-40% ea - minbari and 10%-10% vorlon and shadow tech - pretty even split

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Sounds about right, nice reasoning

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Sheesh, trying to integrate Vorlon and Shadow tech, must've been like trying to get PC's and Macs to work together.

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16-bit Sega Megadrive joypad and my good 'ol Amiga 500 fit together fine.
So it's safe ot assume that Vorlon gun and Shadow sensors can work also...

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Oh ****! Those idiots did it.

That's a weird comparison...

The question is which one is which? Especially considering in the show, they both turn out to be evil. Although I supose a case could be made for the Drakh being Microsoft...Ummm my "Keeper's" kicking in, i guess I better get my machine drunk again.

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