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I pitted six Drakh Raiders and eight Drakh Fighters against one Sharlin and eight Tishats. The Minbari handed the Drakh's asses to them on a plate. The Tishats were done with the fighters in about a minute and the Sharlin took only a little longer to swat the Raiders like flies. And yes, the Drakh were going at the Minbari head-on, so they weren't at a positional disadvantage. Hell, an Omega and eight Starfuries could probably clobber the Drakh force.

I thought the Drakh, servants of the devastating Shadows, would be much stronger than the Minbari (never mind the EA). What gives?

Oh, and have you done a Rutarian model yet?

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The Drakh are there simply because the ships were ready. The fighter and raider is not yet completely balanced as their fleet is not yet complete either. Cruiser and carrier needs to be added.

And Raider, as well as WhiteStar, Vorchan and Fire-/Sunhawk for example still needs gunship type AI. None of current AI types are suitable for gunship type ships-

And besides, simply by being servants of Shadows does not mean extraordinary technical advantage over younger races. As I see it, the Drakh tech is on par with the Minbari, not counting pure Shadow tech of course. And what resources do they even have to build their ships? Very little. In their first encounter with a small WhiteStar fleet, the carrier probably did not even have any weaponry.

Rutarian is not a priority since it is not a canon ship, and as far as I know, it is not done.

Oh, and before you get confused as to what ship I refer with Drakh carrier. In B5 and Crusade Drakh Cruiser size and weaponry varies, it suits the project more to make two variations of the ship, smaller cruiser with good weaponry and larger carrier with less weaponry.

Don't be so impatient.

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The greatest irony of B5 is that for thousands of years the Vorlons and Shadows fought over which side was right. Order or Chaos.

When the first ones leave the ISA start drawing everyone together. The Drakh on the other hand spead chaos.

The real irony of the situation is that with the older races gone the younger races have begun to make exactly the same mistake. A million years from now the situation probably won't be too different from the shadow war if both the ISA and Drakh survive.

With that in mind you can see that the Drakh are meant to be equivalent in power to the ISA (not a slightly weaker version of the Shadows). They probably got no more technology from the shadows than the Minbari got from the Vorlons.

So since most of the ISA tech comes from the Minbari it's hardly surprising that they can beat the Drakh.

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I think that the Drakh and the Minbari both evolved from the same race. Consider this similar to LOTR, where the Orcs are a distant off-shoot from the Elves. If you look at a Minbari and a Drakh, (the ones without those stupid eye things), both have those pointy bits on the back of their heads. It would realy add depth to each of these races as they are each the closest race to their First-Ones... Minbari and Vorlons, Drakh and Shadows.

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Little correction here.
The closest to the firstones of the surviving races.

Remember the beings who build the great machine on epsilon 3 or the icarrans. Both left relicts, which proves that they were far more advanced than the minbare are in 2260.

And something else. JMS never wanted to make B5 like LOTR.
In LOTR there are the absolutely evil ones (Melkors servants) and the absolute good ones (servants of the Valar and some humans).
The shadows aren't evil, they started spreading chaos, because they wanted to help the younger races. Listen to what Justin, Anna and Morden say when they try to convince Sheridan to join them. They actually have some good points, why chaos serves evolution.
And the Vorlones aren't the good ones. That got obvious when they destroyed whole planets full with people who couldn't even defend themselfs from the shadows coming to their planet.

And they don't really look the same.
The minbaris headbones have either 3 big spikes, or non at all. Some have only smaller ones. Every minbari is different, maybe apart from the women (but JMS pointed out, that they carve their headbone in the special content of one of the DVDs).
The drakh have very different skin, and skin over the spikes.
If they ever where kin, that must stretch back far before they went to space and then why are there no drakh on minbar?

No thats just in your head I think.

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I don't buy the Minbari being related to the Drahk either.

I think TP meant closest in terms of the shadows acting as the Drahk's mentors rather than in terms of the Drahk's technological level though Norbert.

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Rutarian is not a priority since it is not a canon ship, and as far as I know, it is not done

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Let's put it another way; was it seen in the show? Nope.

Howewer, in the end it does not matter whether a ship in question is canon or not, it depends on what our currently active modelers wants to do. Unfortunately one of our best modelers, tomcat (aka Horatiu) is no longer an active member of TBP, he did most of our Narn and Centauri ships.

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Little correction here.
The closest to the firstones of the surviving races.

Remember the beings who build the great machine on epsilon 3 or the icarrans. Both left relicts, which proves that they were far more advanced than the minbare are in 2260.

And something else. JMS never wanted to make B5 like LOTR.
In LOTR there are the absolutely evil ones (Melkors servants) and the absolute good ones (servants of the Valar and some humans).
The shadows aren't evil, they started spreading chaos, because they wanted to help the younger races. Listen to what Justin, Anna and Morden say when they try to convince Sheridan to join them. They actually have some good points, why chaos serves evolution.
And the Vorlones aren't the good ones. That got obvious when they destroyed whole planets full with people who couldn't even defend themselfs from the shadows coming to their planet.

And they don't really look the same.
The minbaris headbones have either 3 big spikes, or non at all. Some have only smaller ones. Every minbari is different, maybe apart from the women (but JMS pointed out, that they carve their headbone in the special content of one of the DVDs).
The drakh have very different skin, and skin over the spikes.
If they ever where kin, that must stretch back far before they went to space and then why are there no drakh on minbar?

No thats just in your head I think.

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I don't buy the Minbari being related to the Drahk either.

I think TP meant closest in terms of the shadows acting as the Drahk's mentors rather than in terms of the Drahk's technological level though Norbert.

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all this kind of speculation is pretty cool, it could develop into a campaign.

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You don't understand the way of the shadows.
They aren't evil. And they wouldn't choose their servant because those are evil.
If they would, they would have chosen the dilgar instead of the drakh. The drakh buchter for the good of the galaxy (in their weird way of thinking), the dilgar did worse things just because they where able to.

The shadows would more likely have made the minbari and drakh fighting a war, in which one side would have been eliminated. That way evolution would have been served, because the victor gets stronger and the weaker were annihilated.

And because the drakh believe fanatically in the shadows ways, they wouln't have left minbar, but they would have tryed to proof themselfes supirior, worthy of being the shadows servants. And to archiv this they would have slaughtered all minbari, or died trying.
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