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Are there any FRED / FRED2 forums out there? I have a FRED 2 query, which I cannot find an answer to in the sources that I have checked.

My query is this: how do you detect a hit on a capital ship's hangar, as on both the Shivan Sathanas class and Ravana class the fighterbay does not have a damage indicator. This is important, as if the fighterbay gets hit by a helios, it won't be launching any fighters.

Any help to both the above would be appreciated.

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Are there any FRED / FRED2 forums out there? I have a FRED 2 query, which I cannot find an answer to in the sources that I have checked.

My query is this: how do you detect a hit on a capital ship's hangar, as on both the Shivan Sathanas class and Ravana class the fighterbay does not have a damage indicator. This is important, as if the fighterbay gets hit by a helios, it won't be launching any fighters.

Any help to both the above would be appreciated.

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You might be able to use a SEXP like:

when : Subsystem (fighterbay) < 95%
do: <Whatever you want>

This might work even if those subsystems do not have a damage indicator 'in mission'. Then again this may not work.

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You might be able to use a SEXP like:

when : Subsystem (fighterbay) < 95%
do: <Whatever you want>

This might work even if those subsystems do not have a damage indicator 'in mission'. Then again this may not work.

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Why not visit the [url=http://www.sectorgame.com/timeofchange/]Time of Change[/url] website?

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Hmmm, this is kind of tricky to deal with. If the above doesn't work, the first problem is getting the game to recognize that the fighterbay "has been damaged." You might try this:

Place a GTF Pegasus, the stealth fighter, "inside" the hanger bay of the capital ship in question. By this I mean inside the mesh; be it actually inside the fighterbay itself or deeper in the ship. Just so it can't be seen by the player and is somewhat close to the fighterbay.

Make this Pegasus hostile, give it orders to Play Dead and make sure "No Dynamic Goals" is checked in the Misc. box. Uncheck the "Has Shield System" box in the same menu.

Make an even that becomes true when the Pegasus is destroyed. Now when the Helios impacts the fighterbay, the resulting shockwave will destroy the Pegasus that you placed inside the ship. Note that if the bomb simply impacts near the fighterbay, the same thing will happen, so it's not 100% accurate.

Keeping fighters from launching anymore is a seperate task. Give whatever fighter wings that are supposed to be launched from this capital ship a Departure Cue that becomes true when the aforementioned event becomes true. Make sure "No Warp Effect" is checked.

The fighters in this wing will simply disappear and no more will launch after the fighterbay has been destroyed. Hopefully the player won't notice. You could put some extra fighters out there that won't disappear when the hanger is destroyed (ones that don't launch from the capship, for example) in order to keep the player's attention. Again, not a very clean method, but it works.

Hopefully the Source Code Project could do something about this (hint, hint).

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P.S. You had to disable the Pegasus' shields so that the Helios, Cyclops, or whatever bomb/torpedo you're using will destroy it immediately. Helios, Cyclops, and other such heavy ordnance have a nominal effect on shields, but are devestating against exposed hull.

P.S.S. You want the Pegasus to be hostile because it will not show up on sensors AT ALL. It's designated as a stealth ship, and stealth ships that are hostile to the player will not show up at all. No blinking dot effect. This is so the player will have no idea what's really going on, all to help simulate the effect of a wrecked fighter bay. Don't worry about the Pegasus doing anything either if you order it to Play Dead.

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[edit] Oh yeahhhh....

For FRED2 forums, this forum you posted in here is a great place. For a little more activity you can always try [url=http://www.3dap.com/hlp]HLP[/url]. They've got a similar FreeSpace Modding forum there.

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Hmmm, this is kind of tricky to deal with. If the above doesn't work, the first problem is getting the game to recognize that the fighterbay "has been damaged." You might try this:

Place a GTF Pegasus, the stealth fighter, "inside" the hanger bay of the capital ship in question. By this I mean inside the mesh; be it actually inside the fighterbay itself or deeper in the ship. Just so it can't be seen by the player and is somewhat close to the fighterbay.

Make this Pegasus hostile, give it orders to Play Dead and make sure "No Dynamic Goals" is checked in the Misc. box. Uncheck the "Has Shield System" box in the same menu.

Make an even that becomes true when the Pegasus is destroyed. Now when the Helios impacts the fighterbay, the resulting shockwave will destroy the Pegasus that you placed inside the ship. Note that if the bomb simply impacts near the fighterbay, the same thing will happen, so it's not 100% accurate.

Keeping fighters from launching anymore is a seperate task. Give whatever fighter wings that are supposed to be launched from this capital ship a Departure Cue that becomes true when the aforementioned event becomes true. Make sure "No Warp Effect" is checked.

The fighters in this wing will simply disappear and no more will launch after the fighterbay has been destroyed. Hopefully the player won't notice. You could put some extra fighters out there that won't disappear when the hanger is destroyed (ones that don't launch from the capship, for example) in order to keep the player's attention. Again, not a very clean method, but it works.

Hopefully the Source Code Project could do something about this (hint, hint).

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P.S. You had to disable the Pegasus' shields so that the Helios, Cyclops, or whatever bomb/torpedo you're using will destroy it immediately. Helios, Cyclops, and other such heavy ordnance have a nominal effect on shields, but are devestating against exposed hull.

P.S.S. You want the Pegasus to be hostile because it will not show up on sensors AT ALL. It's designated as a stealth ship, and stealth ships that are hostile to the player will not show up at all. No blinking dot effect. This is so the player will have no idea what's really going on, all to help simulate the effect of a wrecked fighter bay. Don't worry about the Pegasus doing anything either if you order it to Play Dead.

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[edit] Oh yeahhhh....

For FRED2 forums, this forum you posted in here is a great place. For a little more activity you can always try [url=http://www.3dap.com/hlp]HLP[/url]. They've got a similar FreeSpace Modding forum there.

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Last edited by Slasher on 11-27-2002 at 02:12 AM

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Thanks, Slasher, I will give that a try.

I also think that this hangar issue might be something for the Source Code project to investigate. I'll log it with them.

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Thanks, Slasher, I will give that a try.

I also think that this hangar issue might be something for the Source Code project to investigate. I'll log it with them.

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One little problem, the capship in question won't be able to move. It would give it away.

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One little problem, the capship in question won't be able to move. It would give it away.

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That's definitely a good point. You could always have the stealth ship fly a waypoint path parallel to the capship while staying inside the hanger though. The whole method is rather tedious; source code modifications would be ideal here.

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That's definitely a good point. You could always have the stealth ship fly a waypoint path parallel to the capship while staying inside the hanger though. The whole method is rather tedious; source code modifications would be ideal here.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Slasher
That's definitely a good point. You could always have the stealth ship fly a waypoint path parallel to the capship while staying inside the hanger though. The whole method is rather tedious; source code modifications would be ideal here.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Slasher
That's definitely a good point. You could always have the stealth ship fly a waypoint path parallel to the capship while staying inside the hanger though. The whole method is rather tedious; source code modifications would be ideal here.

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Yeah, I've done cap-waypoint-speed before on a fighters before. Specifically, I wanted a wing of fighters to go a certain speed. You can't input a wing name for the SEXP, so I just chose the wing leader (Beta 1 in this case). Beta 1 flew at a speed of 30 as desired and so did the rest of the wing, which was sorta nice.

Certainly beats making a cap-waypoint-speed SEXP for all the fighters in a wing too.

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Yeah, I've done cap-waypoint-speed before on a fighters before. Specifically, I wanted a wing of fighters to go a certain speed. You can't input a wing name for the SEXP, so I just chose the wing leader (Beta 1 in this case). Beta 1 flew at a speed of 30 as desired and so did the rest of the wing, which was sorta nice.

Certainly beats making a cap-waypoint-speed SEXP for all the fighters in a wing too.

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Then the question has to be, if it works on fighters too, why is it called CAP-waypoint-speed

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Simple, it "caps" the maximum speed. That fighter has to be set to "no dynamic goals" as well.

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Simple, it "caps" the maximum speed. That fighter has to be set to "no dynamic goals" as well.

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Simple, it "caps" the maximum speed.

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Now that I hear it, that makes perfect sense. And all this time I thought it was capital.

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