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Too bad we can't have this in TBP

http://www.tgu.org.uk/Forum/ubb/Forum24/HTML/001041.html

I'm so happy that I also have Homeworld!

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You mean the power up effect from the Excalibur's main beam cannon?

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Well....we're looking at some ideas....but its not terribly promising.

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Can this not be done by having three turrets fixed to a point infront of the main gun, and having an event have them fire to that point. Then have the main fire point beam form there and shoot out?

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Is that mod for the original Homeworld, or is it for Cataclysm?
Not that it really matters, I guess - I have them both - I'm
just curious.

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Originally posted by Assassin
Can this not be done by having three turrets fixed to a point infront of the main gun, and having an event have them fire to that point. Then have the main fire point beam form there and shoot out?

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No. It would require too much timing, and don't forget that those "feeder" beams should actually hit something to stop. So if you would do this those 3 beams would just shoot straight through the "forming point".

Of course you could add an invisible point to the model where it would shoot, but I don't think you can make a ship shoot a beam at itself.

If it would be just a small invisible ball, it would stop the beams allright, but it would require an amazing amount of mission tweaking, so it wouldn't work.So what do we have, no chance whatsoever.



I have made a weapon that works like the one described above(ie. 4 mjollnirs shoot a beam at an invisible ball in the middle of them, and then the ball shoots a real bigass beam at the enemy.

BUT, this weapon didn't have any moving ships in it, and it took about 4 years to tweak the mission so that it worked.

And phantom: Original HW.

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How about the Targeting Lasers I hear about? couldn't that work?

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How about the Targeting Lasers I hear about? couldn't that work?

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Well, I read that there's a Shivan Targeting Laser in the original FS2 weapons table

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Well, I read that there's a Shivan Targeting Laser in the original FS2 weapons table

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yeah, tried the targeting laser yesterday. It really sucks

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those "feeder" beams should actually hit something to stop. So if you would do this those 3 beams would just shoot straight through the "forming point".

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YAY I AM MURDOCK !!!!!!!!! Just Keep B.A. Away from me!!

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Yay, may I say congratulations [sarcasm mode off].

No, seriously, it's actually strangely enjoyable getting to Murdock, etc. in that we can say that we have contributed a certain amount ot the group as a whole. I know there are people out there who have way more posts but all I can say is that you have to start somewhere.

As for the targeting laser - Firstly can you have three firing at once? Secondly, is there any way of limiting the range of the beam? Thirdly, is there any way of co-ordinating this with the firing of the main beam?

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One targeting laser only, and it's buggy and wouldn't work for this. Nope.

Something that might work is a "beam" like the Lucifer's (Or Nials) in FS1, with a fast speed, ludicrously small lifetime for the three wing pods, then a single beam turret on the centerline that actually shot, with a very large "charge up" animation to hide the ugly convergance of the three wing beams. (Obviously you can't do beamfreeall with one of these ... since you'd need a scripted shooting event.)

Now, if I remember Crusade right, they "stopped" when they shot (thus defying physics, but what the hell) so you wouldn't have any of that "beam shooting from the Nial's tail" effect ...because their velocity would be zero. (Just make them capable of instantaneous deceleration, why not? )

I'm still not sure this would work, but from what I've seen, it has a chance

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Alphakiller, only one problem:

You can make beams shoot one shot at a pre-designated target (fire-beam sexp) But you cant make normal weapons shoot like that. And especially you cant make a ship shoot normal weapons at itself.

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the main beam of the Excalibur would by it's very nature be a very scriped situation even if it could be hard coded. to make it work you just need to.

make a docking point in the front of the ship and have an invulnrable invisable target ship docked to it,

events chained

fire the feeder beams at the target ship
chain delay 1 second
fire main beam
sabatoge subsystem: engine(s) and weapons
turretlockall
chain delay 60 seconds
repair subsystem: engine(s) and weapons (may want to use variables to restore them to there previous levels)
turretfreeall



all you have to do is make sure the lifetime of the feeder beam is set to the right length for the main.

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the main beam of the Excalibur would by it's very nature be a very scriped situation even if it could be hard coded. to make it work you just need to.

make a docking point in the front of the ship and have an invulnrable invisable target ship docked to it,

events chained

fire the feeder beams at the target ship
chain delay 1 second
fire main beam
sabatoge subsystem: engine(s) and weapons
turretlockall
chain delay 60 seconds
repair subsystem: engine(s) and weapons (may want to use variables to restore them to there previous levels)
turretfreeall



all you have to do is make sure the lifetime of the feeder beam is set to the right length for the main.

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why not just make the very front a difrent ship, so the the ship is two parts, then you tell the feeder to target the front....


rather than messing around with invisible ships, think, an invisible ship can be hit by stray fire too and blck other stuff as well.

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One targeting laser only, and it's buggy and wouldn't work for this. Nope.

Something that might work is a "beam" like the Lucifer's (Or Nials) in FS1, with a fast speed, ludicrously small lifetime for the three wing pods, then a single beam turret on the centerline that actually shot, with a very large "charge up" animation to hide the ugly convergance of the three wing beams. (Obviously you can't do beamfreeall with one of these ... since you'd need a scripted shooting event.)

Now, if I remember Crusade right, they "stopped" when they shot (thus defying physics, but what the hell) so you wouldn't have any of that "beam shooting from the Nial's tail" effect ...because their velocity would be zero. (Just make them capable of instantaneous deceleration, why not? )

I'm still not sure this would work, but from what I've seen, it has a chance

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