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Wasn't XWA supposed to be able to handle a lot of ships on screen?
Of course, it managed this by not using the full potential of the engine. Otherwise we wouldn't need XWAUP.

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Originally posted by Alikchi
Wasn't XWA supposed to be able to handle a lot of ships on screen?
Of course, it managed this by not using the full potential of the engine. Otherwise we wouldn't need XWAUP.

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...oh well...the "#" rulez

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On the subject of turrets...

...I agree that the current capship lasers suck terribly. They're just not a threat unless you pump up the difficulty level a lot, especially compared to flak cannons. They fire so infrequently that they're easy to dodge, and that also means they can't handle more than one target (that they *can* hit, like bombs) at once.

I reckon replacing the traditional lasers with Prometheus or something would have a much better effect on incoming hostiles. After all, the Prometheus is designed for taking out fighters and bombers, with a relatively high rate of fire (for a capship turret) and damage-per-minute rate.

If you want anti-capship turrets that aren't beams, stick a few Maxim turrets in. Nice long range and good hull damage, and a capship should have no trouble powering and steadying them, unlike fighters and bombers.

Come to that, a Maxim would also be reasonably effective against bombers despite the poor anti-shield characteristics, because the range is long enough that the shield can be worn down gradually.

Sentry guns equipped with Kaysers might not be a bad idea either. At the moment, sentries simply can't defend themselves adequately, let alone anything they're supposed to protect.

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On the subject of turrets...

...I agree that the current capship lasers suck terribly. They're just not a threat unless you pump up the difficulty level a lot, especially compared to flak cannons. They fire so infrequently that they're easy to dodge, and that also means they can't handle more than one target (that they *can* hit, like bombs) at once.

I reckon replacing the traditional lasers with Prometheus or something would have a much better effect on incoming hostiles. After all, the Prometheus is designed for taking out fighters and bombers, with a relatively high rate of fire (for a capship turret) and damage-per-minute rate.

If you want anti-capship turrets that aren't beams, stick a few Maxim turrets in. Nice long range and good hull damage, and a capship should have no trouble powering and steadying them, unlike fighters and bombers.

Come to that, a Maxim would also be reasonably effective against bombers despite the poor anti-shield characteristics, because the range is long enough that the shield can be worn down gradually.

Sentry guns equipped with Kaysers might not be a bad idea either. At the moment, sentries simply can't defend themselves adequately, let alone anything they're supposed to protect.

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are you a smarty programer person?

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You guys don't know how dangerous a capital ship becomes once you make the laser turrets even just a bit more effective. Give a Deimos all Prometheus S and see what happens. You probably won't like trying to fly against one. Thats for sure.

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You guys don't know how dangerous a capital ship becomes once you make the laser turrets even just a bit more effective. Give a Deimos all Prometheus S and see what happens. You probably won't like trying to fly against one. Thats for sure.

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Hehe...or let's try with the nice T-Bolt 45mm ...a bit off-topic...but still....eheheheheehe....

...btw...when will I get the voice scripts?

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Hehe...or let's try with the nice T-Bolt 45mm ...a bit off-topic...but still....eheheheheehe....

...btw...when will I get the voice scripts?

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You guys don't know how dangerous a capital ship becomes once you make the laser turrets even just a bit more effective. Give a Deimos all Prometheus S and see what happens. You probably won't like trying to fly against one. Thats for sure.

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Let's see. I gave an Aeolus a refit with a pair of SVas, a pair of Maxim, a pair of long-range flak, and the rest Kaysers. It successfully took out 5 waves of Nephilim on it's own, which is good going for a cruiser.

To make things a bit fairer, I made it have an encounter with a Rakshasa first. The SRed beams are damned effective... which means the Aeolus starts repelling bombers with rather less turrets to bring to bear, and some of them are damaged giving less accuracy. It can still hold it's own against a few waves, but it starts needing a wing of fighters to hold them off at this point.

Looks like Maxim are actually pretty useless against bombers on their own, but they're still great against the bombs themselves. With half a dozen Kaysers converging on hostiles, they don't last long... once they get in range, that is.

As for effective lasers making it hard to attack capships, I think that's how it should be! I really believe it should take a major taskforce to remove any kind of destroyer from circulation, and a pretty decent array to handle a corvette.

I'm in favour of smarter capship AI for much the same reasons - there's nothing more frustrating than watching a ship pelting away with lasers, when there's a set of perfectly good heavy beams available if it simply rolled over a bit. By the same token, it'd be kinda handy if ships (small as well as big) made at least some effort to stay away from the highest concentrations of weapons on their enemy...

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You guys don't know how dangerous a capital ship becomes once you make the laser turrets even just a bit more effective. Give a Deimos all Prometheus S and see what happens. You probably won't like trying to fly against one. Thats for sure.

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Let's see. I gave an Aeolus a refit with a pair of SVas, a pair of Maxim, a pair of long-range flak, and the rest Kaysers. It successfully took out 5 waves of Nephilim on it's own, which is good going for a cruiser.

To make things a bit fairer, I made it have an encounter with a Rakshasa first. The SRed beams are damned effective... which means the Aeolus starts repelling bombers with rather less turrets to bring to bear, and some of them are damaged giving less accuracy. It can still hold it's own against a few waves, but it starts needing a wing of fighters to hold them off at this point.

Looks like Maxim are actually pretty useless against bombers on their own, but they're still great against the bombs themselves. With half a dozen Kaysers converging on hostiles, they don't last long... once they get in range, that is.

As for effective lasers making it hard to attack capships, I think that's how it should be! I really believe it should take a major taskforce to remove any kind of destroyer from circulation, and a pretty decent array to handle a corvette.

I'm in favour of smarter capship AI for much the same reasons - there's nothing more frustrating than watching a ship pelting away with lasers, when there's a set of perfectly good heavy beams available if it simply rolled over a bit. By the same token, it'd be kinda handy if ships (small as well as big) made at least some effort to stay away from the highest concentrations of weapons on their enemy...

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Let's see. I gave an Aeolus a refit with a pair of SVas, a pair of Maxim, a pair of long-range flak, and the rest Kaysers. It successfully took out 5 waves of Nephilim on it's own, which is good going for a cruiser.

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Let's see. I gave an Aeolus a refit with a pair of SVas, a pair of Maxim, a pair of long-range flak, and the rest Kaysers. It successfully took out 5 waves of Nephilim on it's own, which is good going for a cruiser.

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Personally, I don't like the idea of sticking Shivan or fighter weapons onto cap-ships. Just for the sake of being realistic. Plus, a normal GTVA corvette would struggle at best to knock out that many bombers... beware making cap-ships too powerful!

Also, the cruisers secondary function - supporting major capital warships in a fleet engagement agasint other cap-ships would be diminished.

(Although that is also a job for corvettes)

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Personally, I don't like the idea of sticking Shivan or fighter weapons onto cap-ships. Just for the sake of being realistic. Plus, a normal GTVA corvette would struggle at best to knock out that many bombers... beware making cap-ships too powerful!

Also, the cruisers secondary function - supporting major capital warships in a fleet engagement agasint other cap-ships would be diminished.

(Although that is also a job for corvettes)

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