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they do they morph out of the surface of the ship sheridan tride to touch koshs ship once and it almost blasted him before he retreated - also the comments by jms said they grow and evolve perahps a fighter one day becomes a dreadnaught =)

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wonder how long it takes to become a planetkiller =)

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I know that the red Transport gives the final shot, but that doesn't mean that it even caused 10% of the overall damage.

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JESUS WEPT TEARS OF BLOOD............. This has started to go a little too far no?

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I thought that about the similarity of fighters and Dreadnoughts

However, do you ever actually see any of the medium sized vessels?

Perhaps they go off to college or are going through puberty

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At least this discussion is based upon something real.

He he he he he...

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vorlon fighter turning into planetkillers is real? - damn i've been missing somethign recently

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and nah it was only jsut after they vorlons had arrived the dreanught had not had time to do it serious damamge and if the whitestar can burn througha battlecrab then so can a vorlon transport

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So the Dreadnought didn't have time to do serious damage but the Transport did?

Riiiiiight...

Also, as I've said, I don't think that the Transport has more firepower than a Whitestar, at best the same as a couple of Vorlon Fighters.

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of cource it has more firepower thana whitestar its a vorlon ship!!!!!!!!! and my point is that the scene with the transport firing on the crab is just after the jump in the ship looked pretty damned healthy beforehand and there is NO i repeat No eveidence at all that the dreadnaught fired on it but plenty to say that that ship tranposrt or destroyer did the job all by itself

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Remember the Thirdspace aliens? Starfurys could take them out, with difficulty, and those guys fought the Vorlons to a standstill for a while...I don't think the Vorlons are that advanced. Remember, also, the White Star was a combination of Minbari and Vorlon tech...so...

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the weapons are minbari - vorlon weapons are on tenticles - and the only reason teh vorlons didn't whip the 3rd space aliens asses was half there forces were fighting for the 3rd space aliens and remember not a single 3rd space cap ship got out and the vorlons are!!!!!!!!!! they are very very very advanced - even minbari expeditioned into there space never returned or even got off a signle saying dont try this again - vorlons super advanged - did you see the planet killers? thats very god damned advanced

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Vorlons or Shadows are not THAT DAMN ADVANCED.

They are more advanced than Minbari, Centauri or EA yes. But the gap between them is quite big, but not that big KMN is trying to describe.

We whipped Vorlon and Shadow asses in the end.

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There is no invincible enemy.

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Remember the Thirdspace aliens? Starfurys could take them out, with difficulty, and those guys fought the Vorlons to a standstill for a while...I don't think the Vorlons are that advanced. Remember, also, the White Star was a combination of Minbari and Vorlon tech...so...

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It appears to me that most everybody (not everybody) assumes too much and does not look at the facts. I personaly don't have a single episode taped (which I regrete) so I don't know who is right or wrong. I remember vaugely of this episode, as with few other episodes that I've seen three or four years ago.
All the information we have is what is seen in the show and what JMS tells us, besides that there can be endless speculation. Keep on going though, this is fun to read

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Unfortunately I can't think of too many more arguments for or against my/KillMeNow's position that are based upon hard facts. We have been repeating ourselves for a while now and basically we both believe different things.

I will however say that the Vorlons are not all-powerful as a race, or as individual vessels. I base this upon the fact that in 'Into the Fire' Vorlon and Shadow vessels are destoyed by Army of Light vessels and why would the enemy be "pissed" if we were no threat to them? These were three massive fleets involved so noone can make the argument that if the rest of "someone's" fleet was there then nobody else would have stood a chance.

Theories why the Vorlons and Shadows slowed in their rate of technological evolution include:
Being at peace for long periods of time - war brings on technological advancements;
Each side losing Great Wars over the millennia would mean that industrial bases would have to be continually rebuilt; There are barriers to the limit of technology or at least to the rate that technology can advance.

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The Shadows also went into hiding and the Vorlons tried to disguise themselves as much as possible from being that much more advanced.

Mr. Fury is right. Every ship has a weakness, every ship can be defeated. The Bismark is an example of a ship that everyone thought could not be beat, and yet a single torpedo, fired from an antiquated torpedo bomber, in the rudder doomed the ship.

The Vorlons and the Shadows will be damned powerful in the MOD. But that doesn't mean that they will be so freakishly powerful that we can't do anything to them.

Vorlon and Shadow ships have advancements in other areas that don't translate into straight combat capability so don't always look on advanced technologies as just another way of blowing someone up.

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ok to answer for my beliefs nope i never claimed the vorlons were all power and completely invulnerable - but they are very powerful and damned hard to kill - in person nothing captain sheridan could throw at kosh 2 killed him not even the outpout from the fusion reactor - well i suppose he did throw kosh at kosh 2 but you know what i mean it took another vorlon to kill him - shadows on the other ppg is all you need

the tech gap is huge make no mistake the vorlon have been in space for millions if not billions of years they have the firepower to destroy a planet - there ships are intelligent and are alive and project major firepower and have telepathic abilites remember hwo teh bay workers said it sang to them in there dreams - there fighters are tiny yet can jump all by themselves - nooooooo there is no mistaking they are veryvery advanced - however all that advanged tech doesn't reduce the effivtive ness or our level of tech and if we can point our weapons at them long enough they will be destroyed

yup they should be very tough in the game but not unkillable - well maybe if a shadow battel crab appears unless its been scripted that you have telepaths along to confuse it then unless you get to the jumpgate pronto your going to be vaped

and yes we are repeating ourself so perhaps we should either agree to disagree or go by what jms said that they are about the same tech wise - so while the vorlons may have bigger guns lets assume the shadows prefer to use the power avaible on there ships for speed and manverabilty rather than raw weapons power and that if they wanted to develop a ship that could blow a planet into bits they could - deal?

however i wont agree that the tech gap between the the ea and the vorlons and shadows isn't the gulf of at least a couple of thousand years at a stedy development rate from human scientist if we went by minbari tech advancement levels it would take hundreds of thousands of years

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I do agree completely with what you have just said. I never meant to imply that the tech gap wasn't millennia/aeons between the Vorlons and the EA, just that as you said, if you throw enough firepower at anything it will eventually blow. Any limitations that I suggested would almost certainly apply to any race as they reached similar levels of development.

Will it be possible to program a jump gate disruptor weapon for the Shadow Battlecrabs?

Aside from a scripting of when the Battlecrab fires at "Ship A", it is warp disabled until the next chained event has a certain amount of time elapsed. However, that would require scripting events for every ship-Battlecrab combination possible. This may be feasible for mission-specific scripted jump point disruptions.

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