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Originally posted by KillMeNow
also how offen do b5 ships miss????? quite offen - whenw as the last time a federation starship miss? phasers are acaurate enough to disable ships

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Oh, and don't forget the guns on the Excalibur fire instantaneously (not the main ones), and even these would have enough power to kill a trek ship so
And you're forgetting, B5 ships- at least the Gravimetric powered ones like the whitestar DO have tractor beams- like when the Sharlin pulled in Sinclairs fighter, or when the Whitestar captures the transport full of telepaths due for the shadows. And like I said, the Vree are meant to have teleportation tech, but I can't confirm it. And even one hand grenade sent to the bridge of a ship would incapacitate it, so it is irrelevant.
Also, trek= Science Fantasy, B5= Science Fiction- it is FAR more realistic.
Oh, and if inertial dampeners are what I think they are, ships with gravimetric propulsion again have this- as witnessed by the fact when a whitestar turns quickly everybody doesn't go flying into the opposite wall.

But as somebody said, this argument is pretty much pointless, which leaves me with the ultimate conclusion that B5 is SOooooooooooooooooooooooo much better. End.

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Eweryone who thinks this is the time to end this pointless discussion raise your hand....

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Claw, how do u know the Excalibur's guns would be enough to destroy a trek ship. U don't and no on has seen it happen and no onw will so it's a pointless argument, and personaly i'm getting a little board with it

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KillMeNow, if you think that the 500megaton warheads were the most powerful weapons in the B5 universe, then you're VERY mistaken, you just have to look at the massower ratio, those bombs had really small dimensions, but were capable of an incredibly large blast, they could EASILY build one several times more powerful if they wanted, they'd just be bulkier.

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dammit, I meant mass : power ratio

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geeeeeeeeeeez . And some people say I'm stuborn!!!
this just keeps on going and going and going...

What about Star wars VS B5 and even VS STArtrek or even more VS starship troopers??? you guyz like to picture Sci-fi like 500 episode mexican novels!
theres always more room for nonsense speculation.
I'd like to imagine what could hapen if the romulan cruiser would fare against my teddy bear!!

Ahhhhhhh the good old days of sensorship...

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SCIFI IS GOOD I AM BAD

Any kind of sci fi is good if u are a fan.
StarTrek is old . Maybe you shoud check the Andromeda(same producer blah blah) is better than ST.B5 is my favorite so TOPIC CLOSED

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Read this...

http://sfcreators.com/b5/ff/b5_vs_borg.txt
just go here and decide for yourself

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thost 500mega ton nukes are about the smae size as a photon torpedo even they looked slightly larger - wider and about teh smae length - but not nearly as powerful - there is no evidence at all to suggest the excalibres beams would destroy the enterpise witha single balst as i recal it took its normal beam several tryed to blow up a smallish ateroid - the enteprise can easily destroy asteroids - its been seen chaing them down in 1 epsodes - the defiant destroyed a rather large comet rather easily - and when it comes to tractor beams the enterprises moved a stellar core fragment - pulled a moon once - suffice it to say a hell of alot better minbari tractors which took 4 beams to hold and pull in a single fighter - and all the wihitestar could pull at very close range was a small frieghter

and i will say it again the only weapon seen with greater firepower than a quantum torpedo in babylon 5 was the vorlon planet killer - that i will accept if it hit a federation starships would be history - but i dont believe shipe that slow and clumbys would ever get athe change to fire on a federation starship

also if you abertarerally shoose to make star trek fnatasy as aposed to fiction yet at the same time claim b5 is more powerful weapons well thats just not logical - not to mention its not upto to you to descide what it is and millions of people on the planet say star trek is scinece fiction - and there is acaully alot of science in it

they even remembered for a device such as the transporters you would need deviced to compensated for hiesenbergs uncertienty principle - hence the hisenberg compensators - they reasiled that to do the manuevers they ships do and the speds they accerarate at you need enertial dampners

and the vree? i never heard anything in any epsodie that suggested they had transporters - hell the shadows and vorlons didn't have such things neither did the minbari - they clearly were seen using shuttles and thigns to transfer people to and from ships

and remember you cant beam through sheilds sooooo any vree transporters would be useless for disabling a ship but without sheilds all b5 ships are veryv ery very vunnerable - hell they could just beam the crew into space

another thing the excalibres main guns are an antimatter stream - that would simple bounce off the sheilds - no matter in a sheild so no kaboommmmmmmm simple like throwing hydrogen at the shields - wow thats a weapon - clearly sucha weapon would only have any effect what so ever against unsheildsed ships - so lets recap - main beam weapons on excalibre - cant destroya small asteroid with a single blast - enterprise phasers can drill through miles of rock in seconds - defiants phasers can destroy a large commet instantly - the enterprise carrys over 1000 quantum torpedos each rated at 52.3 isotons and 500 photon torpedos rated at 25 isotons - its sheilds can assorb at least a 60 isoton blast an survive in a stars corona for extended periods - enterprise can outmaneover a b5 fighter dispite being nearly 800 meters long - about twice as big as a white stars as taken from officla b5 size charts which if you want i will send you - entperise galaxy class i dont know for the soverign class - but the galaxy had in the order or 16 phaser banks each capable of firing multiple balst simmultaneously

a transporter witha range of 40,000km - pahers range of 300,000km and torpedos sublight range of 750,000km - the battle would be over before the b5 ships had even detected the federation star ship - since there ships cant go nearly as fast there sensor ranges dont need to be nearly as extensive

federation starships say a fleet of 20 are capible of destroying a planetary surface in about 5 volleys so give them afew days i image they could blow the whole planet away - they also have the tech knowhow to build weapons taht can destroy stars but dont make such weapons because they are blatnatly evil weapons - also weapons liek the genesis torpedo could be used but again its not considered eithical to use weapons of that sort of magnitude and there inherent instability

you cant even claim b5 biotech is better - the vorlons would have there asses whipped by gumtu a bioloical starships found trying to commit suacide but ulimately went off witha betazoid hapy to have some company again

there is simple no area in which b5 tech is better than federation tech - yes its more real just how JMS wanted it - star trek is about wonderful tech amazing weapons of mass destruction beyond our compresion and ability to make - i pointed out earlers we could make a hydrogenbomb of 500 Megatons jsut we have chosen not too since its not very practicable would be large and unweildy and simple to large - anything you can destroy with a 500Mt can be done with 200Mt which is about the largest bomb ever produce thankfully never tested though believe the largest ever tested is in the region of about 60 - 70 megaton by the russians and its effects were felt at 300km from the blast although at tht range it only shattered afew windows but if you can find a city that would need a total destruction range on say what hmmmm just guessing but extrapolating it ould be what 2000km? somethign rediculas - that weapon for taking out a country and a resaonbale size of aone at that - but i'd bet money it could be done

yup run it through my mind again and the only thing b5 has that star trek doesn't have is human telepaths but they have tech designed to suppress telepathic abilities and evena telepath cant detect a ship while cloaked and talking of cloaks who could forget the federation interphase cloaking device - that simple bit of tech would render all b5 weapons useless cant hit somethign thats not in phase with the same space time continium as you are in

and as i said earlier image the effects alone of a torpedo with no warhead launched while at warp nine? that would take out a vorlon planet killer or certainly put a large hole in the middle of it - the warhead would just vapourise the debris lol

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wjhooo how the borg have a 5 million isoton bomb lol has a blast radius of 5 lightyears lol suck on that lol now thats a weapon and a half designed to take out entire starsystems lol - the borg ruleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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ST is a load of crap-highly unrealistic, our utopia perhaps, while B5 is a far more true to reality world, far more realistic. There are wars, political agendas, and such, while as in ST......well, I'll leave that alone (another thing about ST, a minor gripe, we go all those light years and discover that aliens are people with funny noses). Also, we have few stats to say anything about B5, though people are probably right, and B5 stuff is a lot more primitive. But who ****ing cares? I doubt we'll have all the **** from ST in 300 years, and our society WON'T be a Utopian society, of that much we can be sure.

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And one more thing..............consoles in B5 don't explode all the goddamned time!

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It says BABYLON PROJECT in the ****ing upper left corner of your screen!! Why the **** these ****ing Star Trek guys come here to praise the ****ing Start Trek? The only thing they achive is getting their ****ing ass kicked!!

And how did the most stuborn ones find their way here?

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i didn't star this topic - but its fiarly obvious the tech in star trek is superior - whter it be speed - weapons - maunverablity - transporters replicators. but i like both series and yes i agree that in 300 years we will be nothing liek star trek - it is almost utopian - and it willt ake more than 300 years to change human nature - but just becasue its utopian and not going to happen does that somehow make b5 tech superior.

and yeah i have noticed that star trek consoles do explode alot - make you wonder what they make them of - would seem like a good idea not to put plasma conduits behind and in them - and they alwy explode while the sheilds are still at 90 % weird and after the little pyrotecnial display the console half the time is still working lol - i think they should become more consistant and only have things starting to explode once weapons fire starts hitting the hull

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What I meant is that Star Trek is more science fantasy because their tech is so far fetched... as you yourself have said.
Babylon 5 is more science fiction cause a lot of the tech is based on the real world tech.
Don't get all hostile about this, you know these points are true...

Oh, and like I said, I think the main guns of the excalibur could easilly take out pretty much any ship IF (and this is the important part) it really IS a stream of Anti-matter. And I don't know what you mean, struggling to take out a small asteroid- it was vaped!

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I think about struggling to take out a small asteroid he meant the Excalibur's forward guns, the Minbari-ish ones. But anyway, I've stood by the assumption that Babylon 5 is a much better show and definitely more realistic, though since Trek is so far out there, it is inevitable that the tech is supposed to be superior.

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i did mean the normal forward guns were struggling - as foer the amin guns - a strwam of antimatter wouldn't not do anything to sheilds cause it needs to react with matter to produce energy since it wouldn't hit the ships hull useless thats why torpedos in star trek carry matter supplys held in packets to react with the anitmatter to insure a big boom -

i dont deny that the tech in b5 is more realistic and believable - i have stated as much many times but that doesn't make star trek fantasy just more advanced science - and since its more realistic this amoung other thigns lead me to believe that it is inferior to the tech in star trek for which there is nothing taht cant be done with the correct bit of tech

it just get abit hostile as you put it when people thing a 500megaton bomb is more firepower than an average federation starship can withstnad and more firepower than it can launch - of which i can do both

i hereby apoligise if i have been being agressive in my defense of star trek tech but the tech is cool and i star trek was my fav show long before b5 was on tv and still is - b5 unquestionable has has had better epsidoes but ont he other hands some sucked - same with star trek been some classic epsidoes - and they do big space battles quite nicely - where sometimes in b5 i think they are spoiled - for example so much more could have been done win a call to arms and crusade - and in the bigining for that matter - but they jsut showed afew clips and then a mimed parts of the captains jsut saying fire - wate waste waste - what iw ould say is they tend to handle small space battels far better big ones star trek has it for me - favour the bold in dsn and way of the warrior - hmm come to think of it all big space battles in star trek have been dsn - that said small space battles in star trek suck because they are over pretty quick whoevers sheilds fail first die and the ships jsut sit there lobing shots at each other - b5 small battles cause of the fighters are cool and ships take a pounding before finally falling to bits - also damage models are better the most star trek ships recive is a dull bit of carbon scoring to there hulls - however the one where the break away from the earth allinace that space battle dispite being big was handled quite nicely indeed

but i think the best space battles go to star wars or they should - in a new hope with modern tech that could be excelent - the way pilots covered eachother and stuff seemed more real dispite the non real physics and in return of the jedi - that first wave of fighters was soooooooo cool =) i think they should redo those films from sratch

even teh capital ship action was great like when solo got 2 impstars to crash - bet those pilots would have had a hard time if vader had been around

and then the falcons escape from the avenger i think it was - sooooooooo cool

besdies my fav ship of all time is the impstar deuce - although if i was wanting a shipt o command it would have to be an SSD for raw firepower and size - but i would want a fleet of impstars to look at through the windows

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