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LOL, Remora warned me that might happen. Our news script somehow logs you in as news bot

Anyways, a Shivan attempt on Sol would be quite quite difficult, even for them.

Even tho the Shivans are quite advanced, anything in the potential future will bring the GTVA on par with Shivan technology due to the rate of adaptability.

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I disagree. If the Shivans brought just five Sathani through, they could destroy all of our forces.

And even if we catch up to the Shivans with technology, who's to say that there isn't something bigger and more powerful than the Sathanas?

Since there are so many of them, I think that there is something that can neutralize a star with it's weakest beam.

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I watched the FS1 endgame mve again (I love MVE Extract), and I got the impression that the shivans protect us as long as we stay on our planets, but when we get off of it, they come for us.

That when the Ancients were developing, the Shivans protected them from stronger races, but when they left their planet and attacked others, the Shivans came for them.

That's why they were called the great preservers, and the great destroyers.

The same with us, but we managed to defeat them.

But why attack us for leaving the planet?

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That is very odd. Well, I bet that the Shivans think of themselves as the "guardians" of space, but they aren't allowed to interfere with civilizations that stay out of space.

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Snipes, you haven't heard about what Dark is arming Charon with

Needless to say, a large group of Sathanas juggernaughts would be required to punch a hole, and then we could just shut down the jump corridor again.

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Originally posted by IceFire:
Snipes, you haven't heard about what Dark is arming Charon with

Needless to say, a large group of Sathanas juggernaughts would be required to punch a hole, and then we could just shut down the jump corridor again.

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Ace, have a response?

You usually do...

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I'm not sure if something bigger would be entirely feasable...in any case, it wouldn't fit through the portal, course, if its that big, it probably can make its own nodes with enough power.

I re-watched the final movie and I noticed that the SJ's that continue to show the green glow at the front of the ship are the ones that eventually power completely down and are destroyed in the blast.

I'm thinking that they needed all those ships to supernova the sun but only a few to hold some sort of subspace corridor open.

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One of the things we're going to be seeing real soon are vessels with the ability to form their own inter-system sub-space nodes.

Of course... it'll bring a whole lot of issues dealing with the Shivans on our laps...

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Like the shivans may do that already

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Well, why would the Shivans stay, when they destroyed the star? Is it really to hold a node open? Or did they need to have the extra matter near the star?

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Notice in the video that the Sathanas ships that don't jump are the ones that still have the glowing green thingy at the front of the ship while all the others have gone back to their normal mode.

My guess is that they were holding a node or rift open for the others but that it was taking extreme power to accomplish this task. I guess the loss of a few juggernaughts outweighed the fact that they needed to be somewhere else -- and fast!

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That would imply that the use of the large number of Sathani would be required for some military purpose.

This shows they needed to pull ships from the GTVA battle [even tho the node was till open when the star went nova, meaning they could have carried on].

This implies that they were fighting another war somewhere else and the use of a star to get them there fast ment either they r losing or they are about to start a big offensive.

Kind of leaves a cliff hanger really......

[not bad 4 me first post ]

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OR maybe they aren't fighting a war and infact they need the subspace abilities of the ships to affect some other change.

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Like to create a natural node?

I.e. The node is open, and the supernova burns another opening into it? Sort of a new path?

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No Snipes, the node wouldn't be formed by their jumping out and the nebula "burning through" a small amount of ionized gas going through a sub-space corridor isn't going to alter physics. (i.e. the nodes were closed when the nova detonated, and if the nodes were open it would be like firing a beam weapon into an open node, not enough energy to collapse or effect it)

Natural nodes would be formed by the mass displaced in the process needed to cause Capella to go nova.

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No Snipes, the node wouldn't be formed by their jumping out and the nebula "burning through" a small amount of ionized gas going through a sub-space corridor isn't going to alter physics. (i.e. the nodes were closed when the nova detonated, and if the nodes were open it would be like firing a beam weapon into an open node, not enough energy to collapse or effect it)

Natural nodes would be formed by the mass displaced in the process needed to cause Capella to go nova.

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When the star exploded, the gravity well would change instantaneously because gravity isn't reliant on waiting for light to catch up.

If our sun exploded, we'd know right away although we wouldn't see the effects until 4 minutes later.

So because im guessing that subspace nodes require very specific gravitational conditions to remain stable, the jump nodes would be disrupted almost instantaneously. Alpha 1 probably snuck out in those last seconds of stability.

The Shivans probably used the massive change and the already present subspace field that they had been building for the course of several days (we can assume that the Capella engagements were going on for several days). We know they were manipulating subspace and perhaps when they established the rights conditions...then they blew up the star to open the corridor.

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Originally posted by IceFire:
Alpha 1 probably snuck out in those last seconds of stability.

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Originally posted by IceFire:
although we wouldn't see the effects until 4 minutes later.

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