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Ohh I visit here so seldom I missed all the fun. Where did the cat drag this from?
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1). Red Faction online has so many cheaters it isn't even funny. If I had to choose between RF or Op4 in terms of cheaters, I'd definitely go for Op4.
Umm last I checked UT2003 didnt have the cheat protection enabled (I think the patch finally did). On top of that all the "PRO Gamers" (oxi-moron?) cheat and cover it up by saying "thats how pro gamers play"
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2). Red Faction has a bland taste of weapons as far as being suited to multiplayer (read: horde the HMG and you'll win every match)
Umm UT2003 is even more bland. Rehash old weapons, make them suck more, come up with totally useless new weapon (who can say Ion-Painter), make rockets spam weapon of "Pro Gamers"
The rail gun is awesome, Sniper rifle is one of the best in any game I have played, rocket launcher, pistol, and the rest are pretty much standard fair.
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3). UT2003 has a highly immersive environment, not to mention amazing surface / brush effects. Red Faction obviously has Geo-Mod which is a first in the FPS industry, and very very good, but that is the ONLY perk that sets this game apart from any other FPS.
I would expect nothing less of a game 1.5 years newer than RF, with over 5 years of continuous development (since UT). I also expect all games after RF to have geo-mod of some form or another. I havent been able to destroy anything in UT2003. No game has as good of breakable glass effects as red faction. No other game has the destructive capabilities (maybe Halo)
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4). UT2K3 is more popular for online play.
Most servers sit empty, players bitch about every single setting (no x-loc, too much x-loc, IG, no IG, Low grav, Grav), Ive seen more people playing RF than UT2003 at certain times.
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5). UT2K3 uses a terragen derivative / based engine so that realistic shapes and meshes can be made without getting the dreaded "texture axis perpendicular to face" or "invalid solid shape" brush error. Now believe it or not, RF does NOT use anything like UT2K3 did... They did an excellent job of brushing canyons and other environmental objects, but they still appear to be "synthetic."
Same as above, for the time and development that has gone into UT I actually expect more out of it (so does everyone else). Most UT2003 players bitch cause the levels are too complex for fragging.
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6). Easier Mod support (at least for UT). UT2K3 runs decent on my PC so I've been able to play at 20 - 30 FPS. For mods in UT all you simply need to do is open up a menu, change the mutator list settings, and run the game. I've not yet seen a mod for Red Faction... At least I haven't seen one I should say.
Red Faction is far more easier to make mods for than UT2003, it just lacked support from the developer. All modding can be coded in simple easy to decipher, close to english, attribute files. (this is why it is so easy to cheat), all the files are there to make models, skins, levels, etc. The only real downfall is no source code. UT2003 has its own Unreal script which is difficult to learn (for the avg. joe) tedious and boring, plus 10 times more complex. There is 1 very good mod out for RF called Hive all new weapons, skins, etc.
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You're being biased in your opinion by weighing Red Faction as a better MP game simply because of Geomod or because it's the only MP game you're good at. I don't think it borders on Daikatana because UT2K3 is strictly multiplayer, and the only thing even SOMEWHAT reminiscent of Daikatana in that game is the environments in the levels you play.
This statement was not in comparison to RF. UT2003 was supposed to revolutionise Multi-player gaming (like daikatana was supposed to do for FPS) but it is just a prettier UT. UT2003 hasnt lived up to the communities expecttations (unless you are a "Pro Gamer") just like daikatana didnt.
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Once again, biasing... We both know there are other games besides Red Faction that are good fun on MP. You people are seriously being bigots... Open up to different games. I thought UT 1 would suck until I played it... Now it's my favorite MP game of all time. I'd personally say UT1 is actually in truth more easy to figure out than UT2K3, but when I get a new PC, UT2K3 is definitely going on it.
This is in reference to a post of Hunters, but I take offense, because I have more games than than most people. From wolfenstein to UT2003, i have most FPS made, along with many RTS, RPG, Sims, and just about any other game that is fun, popular, or groundbreaking (And some that were supposed to be but were not)
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This changes in games like Unreal Tournament and Unreal Tournament 2003. In Unreal, UT, and UT2K3 the Shock Rifle has a combo attack in which you shoot a plasma orb (secondary fire) and then shoot a shock blast (primary) at the said orb to cause a gigantic explosion which has a kill radius of about 12 meters.
This is a neat effect, but it is rarely reproduced in a DM, or a competitive team game. Most people shoot and miss, and then get fragged.
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UT2K3 has a new game called "bombing run" which is reminiscent of a soccer game, only... Now it is with guns.
This is one of the most over rated aspects (the most daikatana like) of UT2003. A x-loc spam fest with no team play, blatant cheating and unsportsmanlike play. X-loc to the ball, x loc, pass, xloc, pass, xloc, pass, score, "you n00bs suck Im not passing"
All I can say is very few games are "fun". Red Faction is fun. (even with the cheaters I can have fun with the right players)
SOF2 is fun on custom maps. (would be funner if CTF was "TRUE" ctf)
Jedi Knight 2 was fun. I am running a Lord of the rings mod with my server right now, real swords, orcs, elves, Nazgul. Fun, Fun, Fun.
UT2003 is booring, whining, bitching, spam, Translocator, BR, crappy servers, stupid "Pro Gamers" (oxi-moron?  ). Epic screwed up when they listened to these "pro-Gamers". No-one wants to play a game where no weapons can kill effectivley, in 640x480, with no dynamic lights, no shadows, no fog, no particle effects, no weapons visible, everyone in one model with a flashlight, spamming translocator, shooting 4 rockets, and jumping more than a flea circus.
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