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Still doesn't tell me what you ARE talking about. And a couple of hours on a beta version (which is theoretically not yet ready for release or anywhere near) should reveal if the game is unstable and buggy or not.
If I understand right, you played the game over LAN on Volitions computers in Volitions office, thats hardly a real-world-test.
The big issue is the mod-cheat thing like Bobboau says:
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it took V a month to make the 1.2 patch, and they missed the UI.tbl, I don't understand how V refuses to address this problem
Other bugs concerned WinXP/DX8.1 compability, and "Your data doesn't match the data the game is using" bug, when trying to connect to a server.
Like I said, the big problems was/is that its to easy to cheat, and people on the RF-bb came up with lots of suggestion to remedy the situation, mainly making it easier for the host/server to monitor cheating. One problem is that you as host only can get the IP addresses of the players directly on the hosting machine, you cannot get the IP addresses remotely through the console (you need ip for kicking/banning). If the host is gaming himself on another comp (the dedicated server may be in another room/house/town) then he cant get the ip's, and he need those to kick/ban cheaters. It was suggested many times that....(this is a quote of Farslayer from a thread in the rfbb):
"[V] could provide us with one of the folowing methods of banning in an upcoming patch (crosses fingers)
Ban by player number.
each player is assigned a number as they join the server, the info command would show the players and their associated number. to ban a player remotely simply type rcon ban_# 12 and the player whose number is 12 is gone..
support for showing player IP's to users who are logged into rcon
this could be done, by allowing you to issue a rcon info request which would show the admin the info from the server including IP's , as opposed to the info command which would show the info for the local machine. you would now be able to see the players IP's so you could issue a rcon ban_ip <playerIP>
I don't think it would be terribly hard for them to add one of these methods to aid us in banning.. "
This was suggested several times, but there was no response. I could give more examples, but I stop here. My main argument, however, is not that Red Faction is buggy, but that Volition has not responeded and taken care of their customers the way we were used to back in the Freespace days. From my perspective this change happened at the same time as THQ took over, which made me belive they were related.
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The VBB board didnt really do anything, it decended into a hive of villany and trolls. Having everything here is better for everyone. What surprised me was when the VBB went down, people started talking of open source and making a new engines etc.
When the VBB went down, all the trolls left to bother someone else, and the vets returned for one last hurrah.
Sure, there weren't any proper topics as such, but it was a nicer place at the end. 
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Absolutely. In fact, you'd be surprised how many times you'll hear this conversation (or some variant) come up at lunch :
"Man, it would be really cool to work on FS3"
Yeah, it would be cool to work on FS3.
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"Yeah, no kidding. We could do X, Y, Z, W, ......"
What the heck does that line mean?
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Almost everyone who worked on FS1/2 is still here and a good % of them had FS1/2 as their first project ever. I'd choose working on FS3 over almost any other project that might come up, but I'd insist that it be a PC project
I think it's cool that most of the FS1/2 team is still at Volition, and I also would insist that it be a PC project if I was in your place; it'd be nearly impossible to do Freespace on, say, a PS2 or Gamecube contoller.
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Absolutely. In fact, you'd be surprised how many times you'll hear this conversation (or some variant) come up at lunch :
"Man, it would be really cool to work on FS3"
"Yeah, no kidding. We could do X, Y, Z, W, ......"
Almost everyone who worked on FS1/2 is still here and a good % of them had FS1/2 as their first project ever. I'd choose working on FS3 over almost any other project that might come up, but I'd insist that it be a PC project
Man, it would be amazing if that really happened  
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What the heck does that line mean?
X, Y, Z, W, ......
He no doubt means this as in "we could include X feature, and Y feature, etc."
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X, Y, Z, W, ......
He no doubt means this as in "we could include X feature, and Y feature, etc."
Neimad
Mind you, a 4d game would be quite an achievement 
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That'd mean you'd have control over time....which might be really cool
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The W is time?
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Bleh.. all Dave was talking about was the different ideas they come up with and would have liked to put in an FS3. He's a programmer.. remember that. Variable usage is quite common among him. This had nothing to do with dimensions that we commonly refer to as X, Y, and Z in 3D.
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I knew that dorkus I was making TEH FUNNIES!!11!!
But the other guys, I don't know. Still, controlling time might be fun. Matrix cam anyone?
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Hehe, Bullet time in space. That Dragon is being annoying, so you go into slow motion and take it out. You could do some really cool effects.
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Hehe, Bullet time in space. That Dragon is being annoying, so you go into slow motion and take it out. You could do some really cool effects.
LOL, Max Payne + FreeSpace LOL
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lol.. that would actually be really cool.. even if pointless.
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When are Dragons not anoying?
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When are Dragons not anoying?
When their dead.
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Or disabled...I really liked that in FS1...however what I didn't like was when I disabled it before the Cain got destroyed (and of course I would disable it in the proximity of the Cain), so the damn shockwave would kill the Dragon.....
Got time to press "replay"?
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puts $25 on no V gods responding now that the cheating issue has been raised (with exeptions for ignoring all references to cheating, or random outbursts)
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When are Dragons not anoying?
WHen you're piloting it. I still remember my mods where you could fly almost all shivan ships... oh man, the vectoring alone kicked ass. Let's see... X & Y & Z & Rz movement... i was in heaven.
too bad i never released it publicly... something about the weapon points locking up the game in the loadout menu...
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Hey Dave before you fade back into the mists of oblivion could you swing by [url=http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/forums/]HLP[/url]
I'm sure the'd like to hear from you
Indeed.
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WHen you're piloting it. I still remember my mods where you could fly almost all shivan ships... oh man, the vectoring alone kicked ass. Let's see... X & Y & Z & Rz movement... i was in heaven.
too bad i never released it publicly... something about the weapon points locking up the game in the loadout menu...
Hey Brando, can you explain what you mean by vectoring? Do you mean like strafing or something?
And as for the weapon points, I remember that there was always a problem with that when a ship had more than two gun points or more than three missile points. If you know how, try consolidating the extra weapon points into the first two/three.
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