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Shielding technology is some form of electromagnetic screens designed to suspend physical projectiles and absorb their shock. (i.e. most kinetic weaponry has little to no effect on Shivan shielding)

Now Terran and Vasudan hulls are very sturdy, able to handle hundreds of kilotons of explosive power without any breaching. (i.e. the most basic warheads in FS and FS2 have around 60-120 kilotons each)

Shielding can take the blunt of most kinetic damage, that is why bombs are ineffective on fighter shields except for the overall stresses which merely rattle the ship.

MX-50 warheads, which are conventional HS missiles are also nearly entirely absorbed by shielding.

The later weapons in FS, and most within FS2 contain warheads shaped to have more surface area so that the shielding systems cannot "hold" them during their detonation.

If you notice, when shields are low damage "leaks" through, this is due to the weaponry not being dispersed over the shield matrix, as well as the explosive force is penetrating the screening.

Shields require too much power for ground combat or security purposes, that and without shielding it is harmful overtime to human beings, and even more so to Vasudans.

The GTVA could build mechanized ground assault units fitted with shields, powered armor, however the cost to create and maintain such devices isn't worth their effectiveness...

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I meant it more along the lines that if we can capture a Shivan fighter with a live shivan inside, we could power a shield around the craft, disabled of course, and somehow get the Shivan out. Once in the shield it's eye laser couldn't get it out, and better yet, it couldn't escape. To pwer this behemoth of a shield you would tap into a destroyer's main reactor, or the power plant on a colony/planet.

Now what do you mean the effect is worse on Vasudans?

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A hidden something, agenda sounds too human. Its more like a purpose or a destiny.

The Shivans are the great preservers and the great destroyers. I might write something that deals with the Shivans and my ideals of them.

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Vasudan physiology is just a wee bit more sensitive to the fields, that is why they sacrifice shielding for more armor, to shield their ships better from the EM fields as well as to have less of a field to shield against.

That idea Snipes would never work, the Shivan would have to be "returned" and allowed to merge with the hive mind, and when that happens it's lost forever... (why? because they're slightly energy based and could switch into a new 'body' or avatar...)

The above is entirely speculation based on their behaviors and motives. Shivans use communication, but the more Shivans aboard a ship the more intelligent they are. Their fighters don't have much room for the Shivan being itself, but do have controls, so more than likely Shivans are slightly energy based and merge with their vessels, with fighters they do not merge since the risk of damage on the ship destroying them.

Once again, entirely speculation and the way it's stated probably sounds like some newbie saying. "Dey are liKe Vordons! frem B5!" (which they are not )

Overall, the Shivans show two characteristics than can be proved:

A) They primarily focus on sub-space traffic, this does lead them straight to a race's homeworld as they attempt to fall back. The reason why the Lucifer reached Sol is due to the refugees attempting to flee to Earth, as well as the vaunted GTA medical corps which went from Earth to the colonies, leaving a direct path. Vasuda was also s similar path, with the Terran positions in systems nearby Vasuda, and with the Vasudan forces moving from Vasuda Prime to the outer systems for engagements, the Shivans quickly homed in on these routes and followed them to their source.

2) Shivans have greater tactical planning when in large numbers, and Shivans are more organized within nebulae. Overall, these are issues of communication, the more Shivans you have, the more opinions within the "hive mind" this means that there are enough voices to "sway" certain fleet aspects to focus on hostile fleet assests instead of soley neutralizing sub-space use. The battle of Deneb and the destruction of the Colossus are examples of this, the Shivans went out of their way to destroy Terran vessels when the posed no true threat. Within nebulae, they can more easily detect ships, as well as communication capacities are greater.

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Well we do know the Shivans have biological sections, and we do know that they have the mechanical sections.

They also at their core have this energy-based-"ness" which explains the cannon and their hive-mind.

A Shivan can transfer from one "body" to another, but their organic sections I believe are born through the act of mating in some form or another, and the energy based Shivan itself originates from this, they are then are augmented with the mechanical devices.

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There certainly is alot to them...

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I'm not so sure about the Shivans using any sort of energy base to merge with their vessels.

I'm guessing that their entire suit has some sort of electronic linkup that ties into their brain.

I'm not so sure thats how the Shivans found Sol either. They moved pretty quickly between Vasuda to Sol. They might have knew where we live beforehand.

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I'm assuming their having energy-based characteristics from simply how old they are as a species.

Also, they might have known Sol's location before hand, however it is more than likely that fleet movements gave the location of Sol away. (that and Sol was dependent on off-world resources much like Vasuda, meaning that the sub-space activity to and from Sol was high)

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I agree with Ace on how they found our planets, it makes more sense than they knew before hand... If they were there already they could have eliminated us way earlier.

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Why would we assume that Sol was even dependant on outer system resources to be sustainable?

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Why would we assume that Sol was even dependant on outer system resources to be sustainable?

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Most of Earth's Capital was brought in from Businesses on other planets that had a base in Sol. Atleast I believe.

Sure sol would still be in existance, but not how we knew it.

When the link with Sol was severed, Earth probably had some sort of a "Great Depression."

The Government would have to be completely restructured, and people would be in torment, wondering about family members and businesses.

The few Vasudans who made it to Sol were probably killed right away.

And like the ech room says, even the production of the Prometheus Cannon had been disrupted, because key elements were only in Sol.

See my point?

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So your saying that the creatures aren't really the Shivans, but infact the Shivans are energy which occupy the suits for "ground/hand-to-hand" combat?

Maybe, would explain the weapon, and the compartments.

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Well Ice, Plasma and I worked out Sol's being low on resources for one reason:

A) Sol has higher population pool, so more people for mining and to man spaceyards.

B) In the Terran-Vasudan war resources needed to be readily available to construct fleet assets, due to A this means that many worlds were nearly strip-mined of accessable resources.

Now as we know, most moons within our system are comprised of thick layers of methane ice, which means that there is little reaction mass for fusion reactors, as well as the cost to penetrate these layers to gain access of raw ore will cost more than the gain.

Most of Earth's mineral deposits, as well as those on the moon, those on Mars, as well as those on Mercury and Venus would have been consumed in the mad need for raw resources.

Now there still are plenty of resources, but they are very hard to access since they aren't in deposits.

With the collapse of the Sol node, Earth would fall into a depression, however core taps would allow for a flow of raw resources needed to build a new fleet.

Sol would spend much of it's time rebuilding it's economic base in this manner.



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Alright, valid enough.

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Alright, valid enough.

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My answer was much simpler...

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Now presuming Sol survives the restructuring of it's economy and government... What would we come back to find? Is BWO an accurate description?


P.S. What would we do if a Sathanas fleet made it's way to Sol when we reopen the node?

Bad news...

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BWO will show the ends of what happened to Sol, and will show a portion of the means through the characters involved.

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Not to give too much away, but I don't think a Sathanas would survive the attempt to jump to Sol.

Earth is fairly accurately represented. They survived alright, but there was alot of internal strife and restructuring and thats even evident when the GTVA shows up.

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Earth is fairly accurately represented. They survived alright, but there was alot of internal strife and restructuring and thats even evident when the GTVA shows up.

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Because the Shivans have not destroyed Delta Serpentis-Beta Aquilae with Sathani, or Antares, is why Sol is un touched.

Those three systems have by far more sub-space activity than Sol would have.

...and I do hope you remember that earlier in this thread it was stated that Shivans focus on sub-space activity which happens to be focused usually on homeworlds.

I'd rather this thread be about a large discussion and sharing of theories instead of "U H4VE 2 H4V3 SATANIS iN Saoul!"

Catch my drift kiddies?

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