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Tiletron
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All these sizes are unzipped but the files are already pretty compressed so zipping won't help much. Codec is Indeo 4. We chose it because almost everyone has it, though we like divx better.


What about using a RAR-archiving. I've found that their compression quality is a lot better than utilising WinZIP.

I recently backed up a large group of files into a WinZIP archive and also a WinRAR archive respectively, to determine which of the two were better at compression. Here are the results:

Total original directory size: - 348MB
After using maximum WinZIP compression: - 140MB
After using maximum WinRAR compression: - 82MB!

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Tiletron
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Quote from Fuzzy Modem

quote:
All these sizes are unzipped but the files are already pretty compressed so zipping won't help much. Codec is Indeo 4. We chose it because almost everyone has it, though we like divx better.


What about using a RAR-archiving. I've found that their compression quality is a lot better than utilising WinZIP.

I recently backed up a large group of files into a WinZIP archive and also a WinRAR archive respectively, to determine which of the two were better at compression. Here are the results:

Total original directory size: - 348MB
After using maximum WinZIP compression: - 140MB
After using maximum WinRAR compression: - 82MB!

__________________
…though we are not now that’s strength which in old days moved Earth and Heaven, that which we are, we are.

One equal temper of heroic hearts, made weak by time and fate, but strong in will, to strive, to seek, to find…and not to yield.

Tennyson.
-------------------------------------------------
[url=http://starwars-tpmtc.fateback.com/index.html]'Star Wars Phantom Menace TC'[/url] for Jedi Outcast (Co-Leader, Modeller, Webmaster)
[url=http://ja.ravencommunity.net]'Star Wars: Jedi Apprentice'[/url] for Jedi Outcast (Co-Leader, Modeller, Scriptwriter)
[url=http://www.ja.ravencommunity.net/lf/index.php]Forcefare Productions Network[/url] (Moderator, Co-Founder)
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Xaphod_x
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quote:
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I will NOT however compress my audio under any circumstances.


Why not? It's not as if MP3 compression is particularly bad, and it can sometimes make the difference between a 30 meg and a 60 meg file.

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Originally posted by Fuzzy Modem
Xophod: you might try actually reviewing the material and the previous posts before making specific suggestions... :P


As I said, I'm on 56k, and simply don't have the time to dedicate to downloading a 23 meg file.

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quote:
Originally posted by Fuzzy Modem
I will NOT however compress my audio under any circumstances.


Why not? It's not as if MP3 compression is particularly bad, and it can sometimes make the difference between a 30 meg and a 60 meg file.

quote:
Originally posted by Fuzzy Modem
Xophod: you might try actually reviewing the material and the previous posts before making specific suggestions... :P


As I said, I'm on 56k, and simply don't have the time to dedicate to downloading a 23 meg file.

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quote:
Originally posted by Tiletron
Quote from Fuzzy Modem


What about using a RAR-archiving. I've found that their compression quality is a lot better than utilising WinZIP.

I recently backed up a large group of files into a WinZIP archive and also a WinRAR archive respectively, to determine which of the two were better at compression. Here are the results:

Total original directory size: - 348MB
After using maximum WinZIP compression: - 140MB
After using maximum WinRAR compression: - 82MB!



and HEY! while your at it, put it in .exe, that might drop it even more

at the movie: *whistles* this thing im following

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quote:
Originally posted by Tiletron
Quote from Fuzzy Modem


What about using a RAR-archiving. I've found that their compression quality is a lot better than utilising WinZIP.

I recently backed up a large group of files into a WinZIP archive and also a WinRAR archive respectively, to determine which of the two were better at compression. Here are the results:

Total original directory size: - 348MB
After using maximum WinZIP compression: - 140MB
After using maximum WinRAR compression: - 82MB!



and HEY! while your at it, put it in .exe, that might drop it even more

at the movie: *whistles* this thing im following

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If he doesn't want to compress the audio, he doesn't have to. It's not like you're required to download it.

My advice, btw, when putting this thing up for download is to RAR and split (e.g. rar, r00, r01, r02) so people can grab it segment by segment and put it up on P2P apps (e.g. get people on Direct Connect, winMX, Kazaa, etc and share it) as well as the ever popular newsgroup option. Because otherwise it's gonna be *hard* to grab a +1 gig file.

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If he doesn't want to compress the audio, he doesn't have to. It's not like you're required to download it.

My advice, btw, when putting this thing up for download is to RAR and split (e.g. rar, r00, r01, r02) so people can grab it segment by segment and put it up on P2P apps (e.g. get people on Direct Connect, winMX, Kazaa, etc and share it) as well as the ever popular newsgroup option. Because otherwise it's gonna be *hard* to grab a +1 gig file.

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I hate Lightwave.

alot.


I think we've covered compression options. If you don't want to download it DONT. I'm an a 33.6 connection that's buggy as hell, I understand.

What I really need is feedback on the character work. We are considering redoing all of it, and as this would be a phenominally huge undertaking I need to know if it would be worth it.

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I hate Lightwave.

alot.


I think we've covered compression options. If you don't want to download it DONT. I'm an a 33.6 connection that's buggy as hell, I understand.

What I really need is feedback on the character work. We are considering redoing all of it, and as this would be a phenominally huge undertaking I need to know if it would be worth it.

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Well, they're obviously CG characters. But I figure a few more details on the faces (e.g. insanely good texturing, I guess) and make an effort to have 'fluid' character animation and I won't care. Nobody should be expecting Final Fantasy: TSW-quality character animation out of this. Although it would be nice

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Well, they're obviously CG characters. But I figure a few more details on the faces (e.g. insanely good texturing, I guess) and make an effort to have 'fluid' character animation and I won't care. Nobody should be expecting Final Fantasy: TSW-quality character animation out of this. Although it would be nice

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I just seen the Video, Impressive work indeed. But I want to make a few suggestions.

-To make different music, chorus singing of young people gave a strange feeling to the story. I was thinking in something more conventional to Sci-fi themes.

-Battle sequences were made of ships flying strait lines against each other in frontal attacks. Need to add rolls and feeling of small imprecisions such as overcompensation of moment of inertia.
We should see the fighters make small adjustments as they manuever. There was one time that one of those weirdness fighters made a turn in front of the ship being the base of the camera, it felt as the enemy ship wanted to become an easy target.

-Capital ships should fire at longer distances, I had to run the trailer several times untill I understand that when that Fs2 beam sound was on indeed there was a beam being fired from that big boat-like capital ship, it was camouflaged by the background (highly coloured ships)

I was very impressed by the quality of the ships models and people and the bridge animated sequences.

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I just seen the Video, Impressive work indeed. But I want to make a few suggestions.

-To make different music, chorus singing of young people gave a strange feeling to the story. I was thinking in something more conventional to Sci-fi themes.

-Battle sequences were made of ships flying strait lines against each other in frontal attacks. Need to add rolls and feeling of small imprecisions such as overcompensation of moment of inertia.
We should see the fighters make small adjustments as they manuever. There was one time that one of those weirdness fighters made a turn in front of the ship being the base of the camera, it felt as the enemy ship wanted to become an easy target.

-Capital ships should fire at longer distances, I had to run the trailer several times untill I understand that when that Fs2 beam sound was on indeed there was a beam being fired from that big boat-like capital ship, it was camouflaged by the background (highly coloured ships)

I was very impressed by the quality of the ships models and people and the bridge animated sequences.

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Actaually that is MY voice, over a $5 PC mic, while I had lerengitis. I will consider reworking the sound file. I wanted to add camera shaking anyway.


...no offence here, but a $5 mic is no excuse for such a bad voice acting...apart from that, I don't care about the voice itself...it was just a matter of recording and post-production...why do you think was I'm offering my help?

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Actaually that is MY voice, over a $5 PC mic, while I had lerengitis. I will consider reworking the sound file. I wanted to add camera shaking anyway.


...no offence here, but a $5 mic is no excuse for such a bad voice acting...apart from that, I don't care about the voice itself...it was just a matter of recording and post-production...why do you think was I'm offering my help?

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At last someone else who uses Rhino, I always thought I am the only one.
Well lets come to the movie.
Good:
Ships, original and good ideas. I like these "Ships" in space idea. Bridge, also tryed something like that, never get something to work. Best thing is the "Star Map" I liked the effect a lot. Sound, a little bit unsusal, but that is what it makes intressting.
Bad:
Voice, it is sometimes hard to understand, but you can if you try. Only one thing is there left that I can't understand... how long is that ship? Sometimes I understand something between Alien and 18 miles.

Overall: A good movie with some nice effects, realy like it and want to see more.

BTW Which band and titel is it in the trailer? I have searched for it, but never found it.

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At last someone else who uses Rhino, I always thought I am the only one.
Well lets come to the movie.
Good:
Ships, original and good ideas. I like these "Ships" in space idea. Bridge, also tryed something like that, never get something to work. Best thing is the "Star Map" I liked the effect a lot. Sound, a little bit unsusal, but that is what it makes intressting.
Bad:
Voice, it is sometimes hard to understand, but you can if you try. Only one thing is there left that I can't understand... how long is that ship? Sometimes I understand something between Alien and 18 miles.

Overall: A good movie with some nice effects, realy like it and want to see more.

BTW Which band and titel is it in the trailer? I have searched for it, but never found it.

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