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Time to bring up a little fleet tactics now.

Olympus; corvette, used for fast hit & run. Lightly armed and armored, using its impressive speed and agility to get into a capship's blindspot. Also reasonably good at anti-fighter work.

Hyperion; Destroyer, used for fleet escort. Better armor than corvette, also better weapons. Not as fast, but still just as maneuverable.

White Star; Special case, something more along the lines of a vastly overgrown heavy fighter.

Nova; Cruiser, and not a bad one at that. Not the best, but not bad. Typically used as a moving gun platform, using its impressive firepower to crush its foes, because it has no speed or maneuverability.

Omega; Newer, better cruiser.

Warlock; Battleship. Big guns, and lots of them, absolutely absurd armor strength, and plenty of fighter bays.

Victory; Granted, those beam weapons are cool, and it looks awesome (actually like a design I had for a star trek ship several years before ACTA.) But it's not the biggest fish in the water. It's a Frigate. It's a brand-spanking-new frigate, but a frigate nonetheless.

Don't get me wrong, frigates have their place, at the center of small battlegroups, or serving as fleet guardian in larger ones. But you do need to realize that a Sharlin is a CRUISER. IF the victory could get at one's flanks, where there are fewer guns to blast you from space, the Victory could calmly blast it from space. However, if that Sharlin can keep the victory in it's forward cone, then no more victory.

You people keep bringing up the point of why would they build a newer one if the sharlin was better. Better has nothing to do with it, the Sharlin just has a different place in the fleet.

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Victory; Granted, those beam weapons are cool, and it looks awesome (actually like a design I had for a star trek ship several years before ACTA.) But it's not the biggest fish in the water. It's a Frigate. It's a brand-spanking-new frigate, but a frigate nonetheless.

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eh, nova, hyperion etc have got designations already... calling the Nova a cruiser isn't right I think..

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Olympus; corvette, used for fast hit & run. Lightly armed and armored, using its impressive speed and agility to get into a capship's blindspot. Also reasonably good at anti-fighter work.

You people keep bringing up the point of why would they build a newer one if the sharlin was better. Better has nothing to do with it, the Sharlin just has a different place in the fleet.

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The Victory is one of the largest and most heavily armed ships ever seen by the younger races, no way is it a frigate!

More like a Cruiser or a battleship

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yup definatly not a firgate - its looks big parked next to b5 a sharlin isn't - and same is said that if a victory has a sharlin in its forward arc its dead - hard one to judge - likewise anything int eh forward arc of a warlock in in trouble too

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The thing about firing arcs is (reference to Severed Dreams when the second EA force gets chased off by the Sharlins and White Star) ... EA Omegas turn really fast. I bet the Victory can turn faster. Soooooooooo, even if it gets jumped from the side, $10 says it can turn and hammer whatever's jumping it ...

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Well, Victory and Excalibur seemed pretty damn maneuverable in ACTA...

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they were moving very slowly when they turned though - at speed they would turn alot slower

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The Omegas may not be able to turn as quickly while accelerating linearly, due to shearing forces on the ship, but yes, they can turn quickly whilst not accelerating linearly.

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You make one mistake in your comparison of a cruiser and a frigate(it's a destroyer, but never mind), and that is that you're comparing a brandnew destroyer design with a cruiser design that's thousand years old.

If you would do that in the present, you could compare a Destroyer from the 90's(A. Burke class) with a cruiser from WW 2. The destroyer is superior.

And by the way, we've already seen that class designation in B5 is a bit weird. Hyperion is called cruiser while Omega is called destroyer. The Omega is heavier armed but still they call it a destroyer. Hell, they even call the Warlock a destroyer.

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yup same with freespace i dont knwo why nobody uses the correct designations for ship classes

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They are all in the destroyer class of warship now if they had a battleship class imagine that

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Umm, this is the force breakdown in B5.

Corvette - A fast patrol ship (like the real deal)
Cruiser - Designed for offensive operations with significant weaponry
BattleCruiser - More well rounded than a Cruiser and typically with better marine and fighter capabilities
Destroyer - A full out and out warship with fighter launch and offensive weapons, well rounded
Dreadnought - Designed for fleet fire support and planetary assault

However, each ship and each species has many ships that don't fit under the exact same heading which is why things are so very interesting. The Centauri do not have a Destroyer class vessel. They have a BattleCruiser which is more firepower (space and ground) oriented than operations oriented like a Destroyer class. The Narns and Earth have Cruiser class vessels, the G'Quan is a Heavy Cruiser, with little emphasis on fighters and ground ops and total emphasis on space based combat. The T'Loth, being an older Narn vessel is designated as an assault cruiser but is more like a Battlecruiser with the ground attack capability (troops - not guns) but no real firepower. The Nova is pretty much the only dreadnought. It was designed to support ground ops as well as provide massive firepower for fleet ops. But its not really the same thing as a Heavy Cruiser, which is why you can't replace the entire EA Fleet with Dreadnoughts. Its expensive and they aren't meant for the role. The Sharlin is pretty close to a Dreadnought but its more of a destroyer or heavy cruiser.

Unfortunately, most people think in terms of size and firepower alone and totally disregard other capabilities. The Earth Alliance most likely favors Destroyers because they are more flexible. The Centauri prefer to be more specialized. The Minbari put their resources into a one ship serves all type of mentality.

The Excalibur is a mostly Earth designed ship and its designed to be a destroyer. Which is also useful to the ISA because they don't need a specialized ship, they need a fleet of ships that can fufill many tasks and while the WhiteStar has some of that, it doesn't have it on the scale that the Victory class has.

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Alright, I'm going to end this argument once and for all.

A rogue Sharlin, unable to run, turns to engage the Victory-class destroyer Excalibur. Before the first shot is fired, a new ship suddenly appears between them.

Then another, and another, until suddenly, the sensors on Excalibur register over seven million ships, ranging from Olympus sized, up to Victory sized, with a couple as large as Babylon 5. And there is one that looks like someone has taken a very large asteroid, and turned it into a frightful array of weapons, sensor nets, comms antennae.... You see what first appear to be fighter bays, but as you begin to grasp the range you are at, you realize each of those bays could swallow a Babylon station and still have room for more, there is one bay so unsettlingly large, you swear they could fit a Vorlon Planet Killer inside, and not scratch either hangar bay paint, or bio-armor.

The entire Zentraedi Grand Fleet has just arrived. They transmit a brief question about something called 'protoculture'. When you deny any knowledge, they incinerate both ships.

Sucks to be you.

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A good ending

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Isn't it though?

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Ice, that definition list is about as close as I think you are goin to get to providing order to the B5 ship nming convention. What I think may have happened is like the interceptor "energy net" thing: somebody (JMS) made and error with the Omega and ultimately decided to change the entire naming convention to cover their tracks

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Look, I dont know about you, but according to me a Destroyer is about as big as you can get (apart from a aircraft carrier). I think they put the classes in the way of how much they weigh rather than the size. But com'on people, the largest battleship on the rivers today is the Iowa class Destroyer, it has 16 inch guns on it for Heaven sake. The only ship bigger than that was the Yamato, which had 18 inch guns. Therefore I have come to the conclusion of DESTROYER CLASS = BIGGER GUNS.

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