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Rail guns just kick ass through, the slug would pass clean through a ship or two.

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Rail guns just kick ass through, the slug would pass clean through a ship or two.


Same principle as a mass driver right?

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Due to the logistics of inertia and faster than light travel, the theory of hyperspace seems a better bet for reaching far away worlds. Steven hawking has mathematically done all the work needed to "bend" space. We just need the technology to implement it. It could be closer than you think.



ok those r warp drives so that is REALLY far away and we cant go to light speed and over unless we create anti- and graviti thingis that would keep us on the floor of the ship cause if u watch discoveri enough you will see the part about the guy talking about light and warp speeds now that is cool and the cannons, r we really gonna blow up the first alien ship we meet cause their gunports r open ???

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Magentic coils or something similar accelerate the slug along a linear accellerator, causing it to reach very high speeds.

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Things easily forseen within the next 50 years as possibilities..

Nukes in the KT range.



KT = kiloton.

We're already in the MT - megaton - range.

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Gigaton range?

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Alphakiller:
Ability does not necessarily translate to practical usage, no?

With material science knowledge such as it is now and looking at developments over the past several decades, it is highly unlikely that one would need e15 J level of warheads to destroy or incapacitate a space vessel with predicted levels of tech in the next fifty years.

Thus, while we have the ability to produce massive nuclear warheads, what use would they have in space against such targets, especially when the danger of immolating yourself in a bath of heavy gamma would be so strong? In effect, it would be overkill and would negate any opportunity to take the ship in question reasonably intact (unless you detonated it as a proximity-type with KT magnitude of yield).

Furthermore, there is the added problem of extremely powerful acceleration and thrusting that would be required for such a missile to be accurate enough to hit a target with large delta-v. Given the small predicted size of vessels within the next fifty years, it is unlikely that such large weapons (even if seemingly small) would be practical on a typical basis.

Please..read what is said and consider it more thoroughly.

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The beauty of warp/hyperspace/wormhole/quantum tunneling travel is that you don't actually need to accelerate that quickly so the inertial dampening required is not so great as that required if you accelerate very quickly to light speed.

Artificial gravity again is not required but anti-gravity is hopefully not far off, so our general understanding of gravity is definitely advancing at a rate of knots

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The whole concept of hyperspace is that it is a dimension in which distance is realitve. Thus traveling ony a few kilometers per hour would take you thousands of light years away.

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Even small fast attack submarines of today carry up to three dozen multi megaton warheads, say 50 times Hiroshima each. Overkill is a military principle.

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If you had transporter technology you could simply transport away parts of an enemy ship!

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quote:
Things easily forseen within the next 50 years as possibilities..


Given that several of the things you've mentioned exist now....that's what I was pointing out.

Maybe you should read things more carefully yourself. I expect that kind of high-horse attitude from Kazan, not you.

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you know if i did this all hell would be lossed on me.

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:::Given that several of the things you've mentioned exist now....that's what I was pointing out.:::

Sorry, I was pointing out probable tactical means, rather than full extent of our capabilities. Much clearer now..

:::Even small fast attack submarines of today carry up to three dozen multi megaton warheads, say 50 times Hiroshima each.:::

I don't recall 36 SUBROCs on a given submarine.. And besides, the manner of warfare in space would be quite different than that at extremely low speeds underwater. Consider how usage of nuclear weapons from a submarine has dropped off to almost nothing (I think SUBROC as a program has been completely scrapped now as I recall), in favor of torpedos with under a ton of explosive (mk48adcap has around 650 lbs I believe).

In that, the paradigm is similar.

:::I expect that kind of high-horse attitude from Kazan, not you. :::

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I rmember a ION engine mentioned somewhere. How does that work?What's the basic principle.

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What about a mass driver?

Laser and the like are wonderful, but why get too complicated?

Thousands of pea sized metal spheres will do a lot of damage if they are going fast enough.

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Mass drivers shoot single slugs, it's the way the accelerator works - but there's nothing saying it can't shoot a single shell which will then fragment (similar to how shotguns work) and get that shrapnel effect.

And no, Los Angeles class boats, for example, carry a classified number of nukes - we can assume that number is very low however. Ohio ballistic-missile submarines carry 24 Trident missiles, IIRC, each with 3 MIRV warheads (again, IIRC ... it's been quite some time since I studied this)

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According to one of my naval books, the Trident I (the one in the book that's close enough to the ICBM now used by the US and other NATO navies) carries seven MIRVs, each with 100 KT warheads. SUBROCs have a 5kt warhead. The Ohios carry 24 Tridents. Dosn't say how many SUBROC or nuke Tomahawks Ohios, LAs or Seawolf subs carry.

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I rmember a ION engine mentioned somewhere. How does that work?What's the basic principle.


ion drive: using a noble gas(neon, argon, xenon) the engine strips the electrons from the gas, turning the gas into ions. The stripped electrons are used as a current to force the gas out the back of the rocket. Its the forcing of the ions out of the rear of the engine that produces the thrust. With current engines, this produces a very small amout of thrust (1/100th G)

mass driver: magnetic rings are used to accelerate a slug to very high speed

rail gun; same as mass driver, but heavier. Slug is accelrated to relativistic speeds.

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ion drive: using a noble gas(neon, argon, xenon) the engine strips the electrons from the gas, turning the gas into ions. The stripped electrons are used as a current to force the gas out the back of the rocket. Its the forcing of the ions out of the rear of the engine that produces the thrust. With current engines, this produces a very small amout of thrust (1/100th G)

mass driver: magnetic rings are used to accelerate a slug to very high speed

rail gun; same as mass driver, but heavier. Slug is accelrated to relativistic speeds.



Thats not a ion engine, thats a Plasma Engine i think.

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