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That might work in a B5 style universe, where the "hyperspace " dimension was a seperate universe with different laws. Freespace style subspace seems to function a little like islands connected by roads.

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Er...to whom do I offer prayers now?

Er...

*prays to any listening Volitionwatch God for salvation*

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Er...to whom do I offer prayers now?

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*prays to any listening Volitionwatch God for salvation*

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*launches protector pods at Someone*

Use these!

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I find this tremendously fuunny

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quote:

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I find this tremendously fuunny

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Subspace in FreeSpace works like this. Subspace tunnels can be opened anywhere to anywhere else within a strong enough gravitational field. Sure gravity is important in normal space but its all or nothing for subspace (where the laws are completely different). A ship that enters subspace pretty much has to set a destination and exit at that point. It forms a tunnel from location A to location B and the distance is relatively small compaired to normal space.

When we talk about going between star systems, subspace forces unbeknownest to us (in a fictional sense) control the tunnels of connection between star systems. My guess is that the arrangement of stars within a given galaxy determine the paths that these tunnels lead. They are exactly the same as when a fighter opens a node in a star system and travels from point A to point B except that the tunnels end points are fixed instead of somewhat flexible and fluid.

Thats the best explanation. Its not a completely separate realm (and neither is normal space - subspace impacts on normal space and normal space determines subspace). There are no planets in subspace...or at least nothing like in real space. Its just another space ontop of normal space that is smaller and therefore quicker to travel.

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Subspace in FreeSpace works like this. Subspace tunnels can be opened anywhere to anywhere else within a strong enough gravitational field. Sure gravity is important in normal space but its all or nothing for subspace (where the laws are completely different). A ship that enters subspace pretty much has to set a destination and exit at that point. It forms a tunnel from location A to location B and the distance is relatively small compaired to normal space.

When we talk about going between star systems, subspace forces unbeknownest to us (in a fictional sense) control the tunnels of connection between star systems. My guess is that the arrangement of stars within a given galaxy determine the paths that these tunnels lead. They are exactly the same as when a fighter opens a node in a star system and travels from point A to point B except that the tunnels end points are fixed instead of somewhat flexible and fluid.

Thats the best explanation. Its not a completely separate realm (and neither is normal space - subspace impacts on normal space and normal space determines subspace). There are no planets in subspace...or at least nothing like in real space. Its just another space ontop of normal space that is smaller and therefore quicker to travel.

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THIS JUST IN!!! The speed of gravity has been calculated!!!

Ever since 1999, physicists have been pouring over data collected from a quasar far far far far far far far (you get the idea) away. NASA released news yesterday that the speed of gravity of approx. 106% the speed of light (error margin +/- 21%).

And now the question: does todays theory STILL hold true that nothing is faster than light (that is, if there is <6% error)??

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THIS JUST IN!!! The speed of gravity has been calculated!!!

Ever since 1999, physicists have been pouring over data collected from a quasar far far far far far far far (you get the idea) away. NASA released news yesterday that the speed of gravity of approx. 106% the speed of light (error margin +/- 21%).

And now the question: does todays theory STILL hold true that nothing is faster than light (that is, if there is <6% error)??

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nonono
the theory is that nothing can accelerate to the speed of light or the objects mass would become infinet
or something like that

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nonono
the theory is that nothing can accelerate to the speed of light or the objects mass would become infinet
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Considering the fact that the study mentioned they had a 20% margin for error, Einstein's right.

With subspace, what IceFire mentioned is regarded as true from what Volition has stated. Artificial subspace jumps require exponentially amounts of energy to form when outside of a strong gravitational field, that's why you don't see ships making their own inter-system jumps.

Natural subspace nodes on the other hand are presumed to be formed by how mass configurations allow for regions where subspace jumps can be inter-system.

Knossos portals use some sort of principle to stabilize natural nodes, while the Shivans are such a mystery that they may not even need to obey the standard laws of subspace.

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Considering the fact that the study mentioned they had a 20% margin for error, Einstein's right.

With subspace, what IceFire mentioned is regarded as true from what Volition has stated. Artificial subspace jumps require exponentially amounts of energy to form when outside of a strong gravitational field, that's why you don't see ships making their own inter-system jumps.

Natural subspace nodes on the other hand are presumed to be formed by how mass configurations allow for regions where subspace jumps can be inter-system.

Knossos portals use some sort of principle to stabilize natural nodes, while the Shivans are such a mystery that they may not even need to obey the standard laws of subspace.

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Here, news articles:

[URL=http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/html/20030108T210000- 0500_37778_OBS_EINSTEIN_FINALLY_PROVEN_RIGHT_ON_GR
AVITY_SPEED.asp]jamaicaobserver.com[/URL]
[URL=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2238452.stm]bbc.co.uk[/URL]
[URL=http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2002/09/13/gravity_speed020913]CBC Radio (CA)[/URL]

NASA is still reviewing this data and has not yet officially relased a statement, but the prospect that something else traveling as fast or faster than light is exhilerating!!

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Here, news articles:

[URL=http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/html/20030108T210000- 0500_37778_OBS_EINSTEIN_FINALLY_PROVEN_RIGHT_ON_GR
AVITY_SPEED.asp]jamaicaobserver.com[/URL]
[URL=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2238452.stm]bbc.co.uk[/URL]
[URL=http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2002/09/13/gravity_speed020913]CBC Radio (CA)[/URL]

NASA is still reviewing this data and has not yet officially relased a statement, but the prospect that something else traveling as fast or faster than light is exhilerating!!

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The best thing about subspace theory is that you can travel faster than the speed of light without travelling faster than the speed of light.

This is good for avoiding the odd 20,000 year journey that took you a couple of years.

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The best thing about subspace theory is that you can travel faster than the speed of light without travelling faster than the speed of light.

This is good for avoiding the odd 20,000 year journey that took you a couple of years.

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If you have space and subspace (which requires a large amount of energy to enter), then perhaps there is sub-subspace, which requires ridiculous amounts of energy to enter (Shivan quantites, perhaps). They may only use 'ordinary' subspace to conserve energy. Also, maybe jump nodes are Lagrange points - with gravity all around you, but the opposing fields cancel out, leaving you with no interference to your drives so that you can make a large jump (between systems) accurately.

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