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I tend to agree that the GTVI functions as an intelligence-gathering group rather than a military force. It then hands on information to be acted upon by the GTVA. For whatever reason, the SOC had to be created, either because GTVA didn't act correctly, and thus SOC have more contact with GTVI, or because some things are better left in the realms of secrecy.

I horrible (morally) example would be the various aspects of the Schutzstaffel (SS). The SD were an internal and external intelligence gathering group, the Waffen-SS were a military group under the command of the SS.

Now, BWO is meant to be a special squadron, and if it were just SOC it'd be just another SOC squadron. It thus seems logical to make the formation of BWO and the commissioning of the Golgotha the first GTVI combat projects since the days of the Hades project. Prior to BWO, it was outlawed due to Hades, but attitudes are now beginning to relax, given the faithful service of the GTVI over the intervening years.


Aldo may be right in suggesting that the GTVI reports directly to the GTVA and contains elements from both species, but SOC may be purely Terran, and there may be a similar Vasudan force. Dunno what it'd be called though.

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I'm gathering that the vasudans would need it because not all alliances share the same intelligence divisions they may certainly share information, but all in all they are two separate enities.

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I'm gathering that the vasudans would need it because not all alliances share the same intelligence divisions they may certainly share information, but all in all they are two separate enities.

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well, just look at the SOC infiltrating the NTF..... they couldn't do that with the HOL

I'm begginning to lean towards the idea of a Vasudan SOC being partly an Imperial guard for protecting their Emperor..... totally loyal, to help protect against an HOL style rebellion within the normal military (ok, so they were parlimentary till after the end of the Great War, but still.....)

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They were also a hopelessly corrupt, non-representative parliamentary system, maybe something like what Britain had for a while during the 18th Century.

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The British constitutional monarchy actually operated more smoothly than most monarchies because of the Parlaiment.

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Except that the electoral districts remained the same for far too long and represented only a small fraction of the people they should have.

This all changed later on however.

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They were also a hopelessly corrupt, non-representative parliamentary system, maybe something like what Britain had for a while during the 18th Century.

Which is exactly how they're intended to be portrayed in FS:FPS, mainly using Napoleonic tactics against weaker but more adaptable Terran forces.

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I suppose thats right.

When FS came out (I was in Grade 10) I had no idea how corrupt a parliamentary system could be.

Now I do

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Anything can be corrupted if you work at it hard enough.

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I had no idea how corrupt a parliamentary system could be.

Now I do

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Well you know I didn't vote for that ultra right wing wacko.

Seriously, the guy creeps me out big time. At least Preston Manning recognized he had a party of radicals.

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Compare and Contrast

GTVI is the equivilent of the CIA or the old KGB, speaking from the internationally known intelligence branches of two superpowers.

Think of SOC as the U.S. Marines or something like that. They only carry out the mission under secret cover.

So it goes like this:
1) GTVI gathers intel
2) Sends SOC to do it

So you can kinda say that the GTVI and SOC are somewhat loosely linked.

One major difference is that when you die in the GTVI, you are acknowledge to have existed and died. When you die as SOC, it will be as if you never existed. They will deny that you have ever existed.

Get the point?

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Think of SOC as the U.S. Marines or something like that. They only carry out the mission under secret cover.

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If you want to see parlimentary corruption just watch C-SPAN's continuing coverage of the Senate and House sessions

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Each branch of the military has its own Special Operations unit.
I imagine the SOC is the GTVA equilvinent of such a unit.
There that just about kills that topic.

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Each branch of the military has its own Special Operations unit.
I imagine the SOC is the GTVA equilvinent of such a unit.
There that just about kills that topic.

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and gave some of them airplanes.

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You just contradicted yourself. The GTVA is the governing body, thus making the SOC the equivalent of the CIA, which it obviously is not. The SOC is Special Operations Command, sounds very much like they stuck all the SEALs, Green Berets, SAS, etc etc under one unified command structure and gave some of them airplanes.

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Whoops, I misread what you typed. I thought you were implying that the SOC was directly under the control of the GTVA government, instead of being under the control of the military.

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