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Minbari vessels don't take energy mine damage well. They have hella armor but ralativly thin hulls compared to the Narn. I've taken down a Sharlin with 1 Dagkar Missle Frigate* at long range.

*Narn Dagkar Missle Frigate has 6 Energy mine launchers and 6 Ion Torpedo launchers but nearly no armor or structure, very vulnerable to fighters they are the heavy artillery of the B5 universe.

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I was under the impression that the Warlock has the same fusion beams the Omega-X had. Remember that the technology used to build the Omega-Xs was originally intended for the Warlock, they just had to graft it on the Omegas' hull because the Warlock wasn't near completed and Sheridan's forces were closing in on Earth. But the Warlock's development history does state the many of the advances used for the Omega-X are found in the current Warlocks with the exception of the bio-armor.

In my opinion the Warlock's beams should be blue like the Omega-Xs, I've seen numerous Warlock renderings firing blue beams, keeping the red beams would not display advances in EA tech they'd just be using the same particle beams as the Omega. Course that's just my opinion.

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yep, plus blue beams are just prettier as well. Too many races already use red beams. Let the Earthers take a different path and use blue ones!

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By the way the bintak isnt normal narn technology... its the best most expensive of their stuff

the main beams on the bintak can take out a Warlock or Sharlin in one shot... problem is, it'll probably miss the sharlin.

for a movie of the bintak in action, head over to http://www.eon3d.com and go to the movies section. The guy who modelled it created a SWEET ASS B5 3D animation, that looks like its from the show.

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By the way the bintak isnt normal narn technology... its the best most expensive of their stuff

the main beams on the bintak can take out a Warlock or Sharlin in one shot... problem is, it'll probably miss the sharlin.

for a movie of the bintak in action, head over to http://www.eon3d.com and go to the movies section. The guy who modelled it created a SWEET ASS B5 3D animation, that looks like its from the show.

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I agree that Warlocks beams are very powerful. But Sharlins have almost unlimited power supply. They can fire all they beams for as longs as they want, and still have no power shortages at all... I doubt Warlocks have THAT efficent power plants...

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As with all games the weaponry is generally toned down for the sake of gameplay. For instance could a Starfury survive a hit from a Nial? Could a Nial survive a hit from a Starfury?? Let's not forget that a Sharlin can only barely survive a single well aimed beam attack from another Sharlin 'Points of Departure". I think an Olympus would have great difficulty to even have survivors from a single hit from a Bin'Tak's mag guns.

In terms of the game you have seen that even Hyperions require ten? hits from Sharlin beams to destroy them, and the game is playable as a result.

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I think Haderak is building a Posiedon.

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Hmm your mistakened: I'm not tasked to build anything, I'm a texturer. No one tasked me for this. Its probably xaphod or someone else. You got confused.
I remenber Tomcat suggesting I should texture the octurion, but as no one confirmed who was already working (if at all) on it they didnt assign it to me just yet.

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sharks doing a posiedon

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I don´t think, there is any ship out there to beat a Sharlin ( exept the Victory´s). Why´s everyone so eagger to build a ship better than a Sharlin? The Sharlin`s main guns fire a stream of antimatter!!!
How will you beat this? Using quantum singularity torpedos?
And the Narn technology is less the EA technology, and the EA only could develop Warlocks with some help...
Most of the narn technology is developp from the Centauri, or stolen from other races. And not all of this is compatible.

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I said that Nadab Goksu form eon3d.com modelled it, I didnt say he created it.

But somehow I thought he did create it... so I guess the bintak's weapons arent that strong...

but the Sharlin's main slicer beam IS stronger than the Warlock's and G.O.D's main beam...

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The Sharlin beams and the Sharlin itself is in general more powerful yes

Warlock beams are very similar to the ones on the G.O.D. sats and are therefore red. Omega-X beams are Blue like Drakh beams are.

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The Warlocks Particle beams are more powerfull than a Sharlins beams but fire FAR less often.

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"I stumbled upon this ship at Agents of Gaming, the creators of the table top wargame: B5Wars. and since they have B5 license to make their own ships design & stories, this makes the BinTak a semi-canon creation that exists in the B5 universe.
I began modeling BinTak as soon as i got all the specs right, only the modeling part took me 3-4 weeks and the texturing one or two weeks alldo the modeling part was actually FUN and i could still today continue on it and make it MORE detailed i decided to close the thread and end this project for now, the texturing was a pain the rear end!, repainted the "camo" layer to the BinTak a couple of times but it turned out very nice."

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As a modeler I get a little peeved when the right people don't get credit for original designs. Originality is so rare anymore that it deserves credit. It's easier to moddel off of someone elses work than to create your own. Just my pet peeve. He did a good job re-creating it though.

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yup warlocks main guns are red - but it could certainly be fittinged with the blue beams in teh turrets - i'ds say there earth best standard beam weapon that can tracka target - but the big ones on teh front only fire in one direction adn if both of those hit you your in serious trouble - since they are rated stronger than those on teh G.O.D platforms

a sharlin might not be quite as powerful as those beutys but they will fire far more offen - but all in all i think the ships will be pretty closely matched head on fight the sharlin has more weapons to bring to bear but the warlock has its big guns - and once they get in close well tis anyones guess from there

bintak - is the most powerful narn ship but its still stolen tech mostly and oldish stuff at that - the centaury are more tech minded than the narn are so there big ship should be the better of the two but the bintak should be a match for anything except vorlon and shoadow ships - and the sharlin - warlock- and octurion oh and dont forget the victory

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On the Sharlin issue, it is the most powerful ship in the younger races (only exception being the Minbari's Sha'Dum). Now it has clearly been stated that the Warlock is just under the Sharlin by a spec of dust. So it is not only possible but likely that a match between them would be at 52-48 on the Sharlin's behalf, even still with those numbers plenty of Warlocks will turn out victorious facing Sharlins. Beides no one takes into account that plenty of Sharlins were destroyed during the EA/Minbari War. Prometheus and co almost obliterated the Grey Council's Sharlin during first contact, and in the original draft there were 2 Sharlins in that encounter, the Grey Council's ship was left badly crippled and the other Sharlin was destroyed completely. In the original Blackstar encounter 3 Sharlins were destroyed by Sheridan's nukes, of course also in this version the asteroid field was between Mars and Jupiter not a misc field and Sheridan was commanding the Agamemnon not the Lexington but still counts. Minbari War statistics indicate that for every 5 EA ships destroyed 1 Minbari ship was destroyed, this is when the Minbari won the battle. Earth won plenty of battles but they lost so many ships winning that even so it was like losing. In EA victories 3 EA ships were lost for every 1 Minbari ship. And the stealth tech does not make the Minbari untargettable, it makes them more difficult to target not impossible, this was mentioned in the series. But all in all the Sharlin remains champion among younger races though I'm sure the Dra'kh could give them a run for their money, not sure if Thirdspace aliens are considered First Ones but they too can whip the Minbari.

On the Warlock beams, I'd still suggest making them the blue advanced fusion beams. Making them red will just make the ship look like it's firing the same thing as the Omega and that's no improvement considering the Omega fires a hell of a lot more beams than the Warlock. So let's see some of that reverse engineered Shadow tech put to good use, don't let it be wasted on the Omega-X which appeared once in the series, give Earth a little more kick hell I'd retrofit all EA beams to blue if I could.

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Sorry Ghost Rider. You are way wrong in most respects in that last post.

The Black Star was the ONLY Minbari vessel lost in the Earth Minbari war. That's it. Some other vessels were DAMAGED, like Dukhat's crusier, but ONLY the Black Star was destroyed. The Minbari had a 12 to 1 kill ratio but that refers ONLY to fighers, and yes many Minbari fighters were destroyed.

What the HELL is a "Minbari's Sha'Dum"???

You were talking about "drafts" and "versions". Maybe you haven't seen "In the Begining" I can only assume you haven't. Maybe you get your B5 knowledge from the series of books. I can't figure out where else this string of meaningless jargon is coming from.

It's so wierd. Rereading your post you SOUND like you know a little what your talking about. You know what the Firstones, Thirdspace aliens and Omega-X are. You even spelled Dra'kh correctly. I guess it's just you knowledge of the Earth Minbari war that is lacking. I just don't get it.

What the HELL is a "Minbari's Sha'Dum"???

Watch "In the Begining." Read the guide to Babylon 5, or some AOG literature. Get back to us when you know what the HELL you are talking about.

Maybe on a cocktail napkin JMS scribbles that maybe there were other Minbari vessels destroyed by Earth Alliance, but none of that made it into the series, or the annals of B5 history. What drafts? What versions? What do they matter?

What the HELL is a "Minbari's Sha'Dum"???

I'm such a geek I know more about B5 history that human History

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PS: Maybe you could make the Warlock beams a bright orangy red to distinguish them, and you could make them alot bigger.

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I agree almost entirely with Fuzzy Modem except for one thing. That is that there were one or two more Sharlins destroyed, but none where the Earth ship wasn't destroyed as a direct consequence (e.g. You see a Nova ramming a Sharlin in In the Beginning, with the Sharlin crumpling under the impact). However the Black Star was the only Sharlin destroyed without such methods.

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Actually that Sharlin survived the impact! The tbp team recreated that for the demo btw.

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and bout the warlocks beams yes they really should be blue it makes it more normal like a super advanced beam cannon

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