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which proves what Agents of Gaming says about EA having week beam weapons even before the Minbari war.

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Look, pretty much anything Agents of Gaming say, and everyone else apart from the team who worked on B5 for that matter, has to be taken with more than a pinch of salt.
As I said before, the nova firing beams could just be a test bed for the Beams, or it could be misrendered, but I disagree that it is a beam of the EA's own origin.
For a start, if it is so inaffective, what would be the point of mointing them on the ship when you could add two or maybe more Plasma cannons, which are simply devastating at close range? Let's face it, by this time the Earth Alliance KNEW it was getting it's arse kicked, and that only plasma cannons from their arsenal (and, obviously, nukes ) would even lightly damage a minbari ship.
On another note... why didn't they use nukes more often? Mining certain areas, loading up a starfury with a nuke or payload of nuke missiles wtc. would be sure to yield SOME results...
Let's face it, if the starfuries from one Nova (36 I think) all fired 8 (max) fusion missiles, that would be far too many for the Minbari to intercept, especially if they were released closer to the ship

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Like at the battle of the line they could of just put a perimeter of nukes around earth, when the minbari come they will die.

And the EA bought the beam weapons from the narn after the war started and after the picture. I know this for certain, it would of been either a misrendered scene or they could of been carring experimental beam weapony unique to the EA. When they bought weapons from the NARN they didn't need to bother with them old beam cannons and would just use the narn ones which were far superior

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The Claw - look

its a sci-fi show, inconsistances happen. generals did not sit around a tabl and go, my god men our arses are being kiked, we better use plasma cannons only, all agree say aye ! this didnt happen

what we're disputing is just the footage of the battle. and from that (im assuming you HAVE seen the footage...not just the pictures....) the beam looks withoverwhelming certainty to be coming from the nova. now lets not cry about this,its just a show after all, the babylon 5 universe is MADE UP, NOT REAL. and MISTAKES in the stroy DO HAPPEN. so, i urge you look at the footage again and bearing in mind this new information



http://www.btinternet.com/~ken.sue/novabeam.avi

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Yes, CptWhite, I have seen the footage, unless you havn't already realised the pictures I'm posting are screenshots from my computer playing the clip in full screen mode, you can tell this because of all the crap in the upper left corner-sheesh...
And yes, I am completly aware that Babylon 5 is science fiction, but I was attempting to approach this situation from a logical point of view, and, with all due respects and considering your aggressive reply, I think you are considerably closer to crying than I ever get.
I do NOT think that those beams are the nova's, and I do NOT believe that the EA had any type of beam weaponry before the Narn sold it to them... where's the proof for this? Well, where's the proof that there WERE beams? What, one fan-fic site and a coupla seconds worth of footage?
Look, there is no simple way of solving this, due to simple lack of evidence. Also, it is entirely pointless to have an argument over something as trivial and pointless as this.
As you said...

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now lets not cry about this,its just a show after all, the babylon 5 universe is MADE UP, NOT REAL.

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Umm.. stop fighting over nothing, sheesh.. Cptwhite implied in his post that it was an inconsistency. Did they or didn't they have beams?
Why's that so important? Someone email JMS and stop the arguing please.

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your looking at this from a logical point of view - dont

as i tried to point out im viewing the footage only and saying to myself "where did those beams come from".....and my opinion is they came from the nova...im not taking anything into consideration anything other than the footage and where i think the cgi artist was trying to show the beam coming from...yeah your probably right its a cgi error ...like i said errors happen....but look at the footage - forget about anything else you know about b5 plot, just look at the clip.

If you still deny its not coming from the nova then theres something wrong with you.....all of ya ! muahahahaha

ok my post was harsh, sue me.

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Nope, thses are MF beams coming from off screen.

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Anybody considered that these type of weapons where not bought from the Narns?

Its never been said in B5 what weapons they bought off the Narns, it was always assumed that the red beams where bought because they are similar in appearance to Narn versions.

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Ok, Cpt White, I will agree that it LOOKS like the beams are coming from the Nova... doesn't mean they are though
Nah, I think we can pretty much just put this down to a CGI error
And as far as I can remember, they DO say they bought the tech off the narns, in fact a few times in the series they make a bit of a deal about the Narns being the only one who would sell them anything during the war. Also, I think it says it in ITB as well

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Well...im not disputing that there are beams in that pic. Very interesting. I did not notice before.

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Ok, Cpt White, I will agree that it LOOKS like the beams are coming from the Nova... doesn't mean they are though
Nah, I think we can pretty much just put this down to a CGI error
And as far as I can remember, they DO say they bought the tech off the narns, in fact a few times in the series they make a bit of a deal about the Narns being the only one who would sell them anything during the war. Also, I think it says it in ITB as well

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Those beams are definitly from the MF. CptWhite exactly which nova do you see firing a beam?

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MF beams wont be visible that FAR! and why would MF fire EXACTLY into the gunports of a NOVA, EXACTLY perpendicular?

so they had super weak beam weapons

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... and bashing B5tech.com - i see him constantly quoting cannon sources, and all his information seems to be well-substantiated.

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Humans are fairly resourceful when it comes to tech.These weak beams would most probably have come from reverse engineering Dilgar tech since the Dilgar were apparently well advanced another thing is that the Narns got most of their tech from when the Centauri left their homeworld. Any way who says EA didnt have laser tech before the war...

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i not seen these clips in action and its been ages since i watched the film but couldn't those "beams" be trails from plasma weapons?

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We all know what a laser beam is right... Is it that impossible that the EA military outfitted their ships with hi power lasers? I mean this is 2250.. or something. If you look at the technological advancements made on laser technology today, what makes you think that they haven't developed a "laser cannon" of some sort 200 years into the future? Perhaps it wasn't powerful enough to burn through Minbari hull? Pure speculations I know... but I think they make sense.

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I watched the scene again last night in slo mo and it appeared
to me that the Nova blew up from the point whre the beam
was firing from/hitting. So unless the weapon overheated and
blew up I'm going with the "it's a Minbari beam" vote.

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