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so it seems that nobody really disputes that the "shivans" we've seen are some kind of created killing machine. Whether this machine is sentient or not doesn't really matter... What I want to know is, who built them?

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We will never know.....

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what I get confused by is this:

we call the race that has attacked us, "shivans".

So are the "Shivans" the great destroyers that are responsible, or would they count as someone else?

I always thought the naming in FS was a bit wierd. Everything - even Vasudan ships - named after earth things. There's never a sense of *why* things are called what they are. In fact, in FS2 you're one of the first people to encounter a new shivan ship, but your ship seems to assign a name itself. It would have been a nice touch if the GTVA had asked you to name the ship.

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I always thought the naming in FS was a bit wierd. Everything - even Vasudan ships - named after earth things.

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according to the tech room, in a section about Vasudans (cant remeber which) it said they liked the names the terrens gave there ships, there Eygptian. They like because of the similarity between he Eygtians and Vasudan society or something like that, i cant remeber and im to lazy to look it up

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The main problem with this whole subject is that while it's great to come up with all these theories, we're either:

a) never going to find out one way or the other

or

b) get really annoyed because Interplay make a really substandard and rushed freespace 3, which is to Freespace what Fallout Tactics is to Fallout. The shivans are now the borg.

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I go with choice a...

Interplay will not mak a FS3 even if it was even an addon for FS2.

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they may say that.. but Interplay's share prices have plummetted since the Fallout Tactics debacle, and Freespace was always a very popular and big seller. I'd buy it, and I think lots of other people would too, and I think it's probably only a matter of time.

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Freespace was always a very popular and big seller

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The thing is, freespace sales went up like a year AFTER release....before that they shut down all FS3 plans...and by the time ppl realised how cool it was and started buying it, it was too late...companies split up, contracts ran out

and as for PLASMA BUGs, the bugs did not construct and then surgically FUSE plasma Cannons on the ASSES of huge bugs... those are natural weapons... like acidic spit, or the venom of a snake...they dont count

whats a tanker bug?

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If this is true, why is there no FS3?

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coz it's wrong. FS2 was not a big sucess...

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Which is what I wanted him to say

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well it was pretty successful in this country. It's listed pretty high in the UK PC Gamer top 100 games of all time too.

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Because the game itself rocked. But Intersuck didn't advertise. It was a market flop...

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Londo, the Zerg didn't have weapons implanted in them; they evolved them. Note how none of the weapons are "guns", but rather "Needle Spines" or the "Glave Wurm" or "Acid Spores", for the Hydralisk, Mutalisk, and Guardian, respectively.

Some of the things I've seen are really weird, but all of them could prove valid I think, depending on who does FS3(if it happens).

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So I'm not saying that the shivan or shivan sentry or whatever didn't evolve its beam thing, but I just think it's a bit odd that it's so similar to their big anticapital ship weaponry.

(meaning I don't think it evolved it)

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What if the Shivans are energy based beings living inside armored robotic shells? It could help to explain their sensitivity twords subspace as well as the way they comunicate using EMP.

As for the personal beam weaponry, they could focus some of their energy through the machine and amplifying it thus creating a beam of energy strong enough to do damage.

I know, I know, why would an energy based being need a ships or even a body? I don't know. Mabey they can't survive for long periods of time in an abstract form and need some sort of containment, or mabey they are from another dimension and these are kinda like Hazardous Enviroment Suits.

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because energy baser beings wouldn't build ships like that. A Physical predatory being with (forward eye configuration) would.

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*why* things are called what they are

Xaphod, it is clearly stated in FS1 why Vasudan ships were given the designations they were.

Being the first spacefaring race encountered, their wings were named after constellations, their spacecraft named with correlating Egyptian objects due to similarities of both being "desert peoples."

Khonsu II kept the Egyptian naming system when discovered since he identified with the Egyptian's long existing empire.

Shivans were given a Hindu naming system by the GTI, which has remained.

Would you rather have fighters and craft named after something you can be familiar with and pronounce with a little practice? Or some pathetic attempt at creating or translating an "alien language."

I believe that the Serapis fighter works as a better name then the Rafghidsesfiosdgndfoigjohr-gsdsdgsdlj!!@!!!#

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Exoskeleton: With the loss of muscle tissue and strength this species would need to develope a way to continue to maintain thier environment. Thus the exoskeleton we see in the Shivans. Basically the same configuration as a Shivan but with added strength, the claw like hands, a protective shell able to sustain life in a vacuume and energy weapons.

As far as thier motives? Who knows!

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I agree at 100% with that . That would be some kind of powered armor that ampplifies movments with added strengh, it's my best bet.
BTW, I don't remember who said that, but it's true that Volition did say that the shivan we see are actual shivans, so I suppose it simplifies the whole stuff a lot, for theories.

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