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i've just tought of a little problem with the supernova of capella.
first a question: how many light years is the nearest system from capella?

now the problem. when a star goes supernova, a pulse goes away from it at near light speed. i read this in a dutch science magasine "kijk". any inhabited planet within 50lightyears as a pretty big problem. once the wave its the planet, the people on that planet would have to ware blackout gear for a century! the exact reasons on wy and how are a bit difficult to translate, but the basics are this:

the wave of cosmic radiation from the suprnova would create a large surplus of nitrogen oxides, wich would eat theyre way true the ozon layer. it would take the ozon layer about a century to regenerate.

now this is based on a earth like planet, nut it would it every planet/station/ship pretty hard. this might give a lot of problems for the GTVA, because they would have to evac every single person within a fifty light year radius from cappela!

perhaps is this a good base for a campaign story line?

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i've just tought of a little problem with the supernova of capella.
first a question: how many light years is the nearest system from capella?

now the problem. when a star goes supernova, a pulse goes away from it at near light speed. i read this in a dutch science magasine "kijk". any inhabited planet within 50lightyears as a pretty big problem. once the wave its the planet, the people on that planet would have to ware blackout gear for a century! the exact reasons on wy and how are a bit difficult to translate, but the basics are this:

the wave of cosmic radiation from the suprnova would create a large surplus of nitrogen oxides, wich would eat theyre way true the ozon layer. it would take the ozon layer about a century to regenerate.

now this is based on a earth like planet, nut it would it every planet/station/ship pretty hard. this might give a lot of problems for the GTVA, because they would have to evac every single person within a fifty light year radius from cappela!

perhaps is this a good base for a campaign story line?

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Appears that nearest system to Capella is at least 51 lightyears away

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You've got a point there. I've also read an artickle about this some time ago and that would be true for a normal supernova, but would the Capella had gone supernova without the shivans? It might "die" the way our sun will "die" five billion years from now and therefor it's destructive power might have been lesser then that of a regular supernova.

And if the starmap of freespace 2 has any scale on it, it would seem that Capella going supernova would be destructive in all systems of GTVA, thought they would have some 5-50 years to evacuate the systems (depending on their distance) there would be the problem of where to evacuate? They would have to build a subspace portal or find new subspacenodes to discover more habitable worlds. Hey! There would really be an idea for a campaign. Maybe the Shivans blew up the star to deal with the GTVA with one blow.

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You've got a point there. I've also read an artickle about this some time ago and that would be true for a normal supernova, but would the Capella had gone supernova without the shivans? It might "die" the way our sun will "die" five billion years from now and therefor it's destructive power might have been lesser then that of a regular supernova.

And if the starmap of freespace 2 has any scale on it, it would seem that Capella going supernova would be destructive in all systems of GTVA, thought they would have some 5-50 years to evacuate the systems (depending on their distance) there would be the problem of where to evacuate? They would have to build a subspace portal or find new subspacenodes to discover more habitable worlds. Hey! There would really be an idea for a campaign. Maybe the Shivans blew up the star to deal with the GTVA with one blow.

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i doubt that the destructive power of capella is anything less than an ordinary supernova, even it`s just the size of our sun, (wich i don`t believe, because of the fact that here stillis a neutron star left at the spot) it`s still a pretty big blast.
and perhaps the GTVA builds a gigantic station (or a couple of them) in wich they house a small part of the population, they ad some radiation shielding, and voila: Noah`s ship! kinda like that movie "deep impact" (or was it armegeddon) where the USA build a bunker against a asteroid.
anyway, i doubt that the GTVA is that small, and it`s no permanent evac, just for a small century (with some thech, they perhaps just rebuild a ozon layer) so the remote systems get a little busy, but that`s all. perhaps some piracy?

someone could make a pretty cool (AND realistic) campaign out of this. another great depression, everyone who doesn`t get into the stations or remote systems dies, so a lot of crime and piracy. a GTVI conspiracy to ensure just the survival of there own, the vasudans with theyre own collanies, yet also vasudans on terran worlds, so racial hate. muteny, because fighters are unshielded from the radiation. couple of mods for fighters and capships with those rad shields. and the problem that you can't warn earth, so everyone over there is gonna die for sure!

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i doubt that the destructive power of capella is anything less than an ordinary supernova, even it`s just the size of our sun, (wich i don`t believe, because of the fact that here stillis a neutron star left at the spot) it`s still a pretty big blast.
and perhaps the GTVA builds a gigantic station (or a couple of them) in wich they house a small part of the population, they ad some radiation shielding, and voila: Noah`s ship! kinda like that movie "deep impact" (or was it armegeddon) where the USA build a bunker against a asteroid.
anyway, i doubt that the GTVA is that small, and it`s no permanent evac, just for a small century (with some thech, they perhaps just rebuild a ozon layer) so the remote systems get a little busy, but that`s all. perhaps some piracy?

someone could make a pretty cool (AND realistic) campaign out of this. another great depression, everyone who doesn`t get into the stations or remote systems dies, so a lot of crime and piracy. a GTVI conspiracy to ensure just the survival of there own, the vasudans with theyre own collanies, yet also vasudans on terran worlds, so racial hate. muteny, because fighters are unshielded from the radiation. couple of mods for fighters and capships with those rad shields. and the problem that you can't warn earth, so everyone over there is gonna die for sure!

(to bad i can't fred or mod)

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Plenty of campaigns use refugees and pirating in their storylines. Don't worry about it.

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Plenty of campaigns use refugees and pirating in their storylines. Don't worry about it.

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There is nothing more that enjoyable time to learn about it

There is plenty tutorial about FRED... Urgh... Actully there isn't... But there is alway good old FS2 orginal tutorial

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There is nothing more that enjoyable time to learn about it

There is plenty tutorial about FRED... Urgh... Actully there isn't... But there is alway good old FS2 orginal tutorial

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As far as I know is Earth 26 Lightyears from Capella and minimum distance to a supernova is at least 150 lightyears.

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Not all of the GTVA's planets would have to be evacuated. Some of them probably already have inhospitable environments that force colonists to live in shelters of somekind, be they biodomes or underground facilities or whatever. I'd be willing to bet that many of the Alliance's (Terran anyways) colonies are built like this, unless by some unrealistic stretch of luck they ran into dozens and dozens of Earth-like copycat planets in their explorations. If this is true, then reinforcing and modifying those colonies to withstand intense radiation couldn't be too hard, right? That's assuming they'd need to be reinforced at all; I'm sure they'd be built to withstand all kinds of bad weather and hostile environmental conditions.

Of course, all that relies on how much radiation is spread. Did it say in the article? If it's super intense amounts then even that I imagine would pose a threat to the most shielded installations.

Of course, if V neglected this fact about supernova shockwaves and the dangerous radiation they spread, it's possible that all of the GTVA's planets do have Earth-like environments. Then they're all screwed anyways!

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Not all of the GTVA's planets would have to be evacuated. Some of them probably already have inhospitable environments that force colonists to live in shelters of somekind, be they biodomes or underground facilities or whatever. I'd be willing to bet that many of the Alliance's (Terran anyways) colonies are built like this, unless by some unrealistic stretch of luck they ran into dozens and dozens of Earth-like copycat planets in their explorations. If this is true, then reinforcing and modifying those colonies to withstand intense radiation couldn't be too hard, right? That's assuming they'd need to be reinforced at all; I'm sure they'd be built to withstand all kinds of bad weather and hostile environmental conditions.

Of course, all that relies on how much radiation is spread. Did it say in the article? If it's super intense amounts then even that I imagine would pose a threat to the most shielded installations.

Of course, if V neglected this fact about supernova shockwaves and the dangerous radiation they spread, it's possible that all of the GTVA's planets do have Earth-like environments. Then they're all screwed anyways!

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I think many Earth like planets in the GTVA are a product of Terraforming and might be planets like Mars when they were discovered.

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The sun canNOT go supernova... its not massive enough for the implosion then explosion needed.

The big concern with a supernova is not the MATTER that's flung outward, its the radiation. Everything from harmless infrared to powerful x-ray and gamma rays are emitted. You could microwave a whole fleet in less than a minute.

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The sun canNOT go supernova... its not massive enough for the implosion then explosion needed.

The big concern with a supernova is not the MATTER that's flung outward, its the radiation. Everything from harmless infrared to powerful x-ray and gamma rays are emitted. You could microwave a whole fleet in less than a minute.

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sounds kind of far-flung that radiation like that would do that much damage...and who is to say that the solar radiation given off by the star of a system would not provide a buffer of some sort...you people have to realize that half the crap published in science mags is pure speculation...After all, how would one collect the data? There hasnt been a Supernova, or even a nova, since the crab nebula some 1800 years ago...

and here is something to think about...maybe the shivans channeled all that energy and radiation into a huge subspace portal, maybe back into the depths of subspace...after all, the game DOES speculate that they are from subspace...

As for distance...I think the closest star to earth is 80 light years away...and the star chart in freespace and FS2 is only a 2D version...I think polaris is a good 300 light years away (I am most likely wrong on that number, but it isnt close...)...the closest star to earth, if i remember, is Regulus or Betelgeuse...so I doubt capella is close enough for the radiation to do much more than **** up the local TV station...

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sounds kind of far-flung that radiation like that would do that much damage...and who is to say that the solar radiation given off by the star of a system would not provide a buffer of some sort...you people have to realize that half the crap published in science mags is pure speculation...After all, how would one collect the data? There hasnt been a Supernova, or even a nova, since the crab nebula some 1800 years ago...

and here is something to think about...maybe the shivans channeled all that energy and radiation into a huge subspace portal, maybe back into the depths of subspace...after all, the game DOES speculate that they are from subspace...

As for distance...I think the closest star to earth is 80 light years away...and the star chart in freespace and FS2 is only a 2D version...I think polaris is a good 300 light years away (I am most likely wrong on that number, but it isnt close...)...the closest star to earth, if i remember, is Regulus or Betelgeuse...so I doubt capella is close enough for the radiation to do much more than **** up the local TV station...

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Terraforming, hmmm, interesting idea. I hadn't thought of that. Still, to get a planet even remotely resembling our home would probably take decades, if not centuries, of massive changes on a global scale. A lot of it would depend on technology and the planet in question. Terraforming Mars to be more like Earth, for instance, would probably be slightly easier than Venus (I think).

I thought the closest star to Earth, Alpha (Proxima) Centauri, was only four light years away? Am I waaaay mistaken here?

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