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Personally, I'm not sure if we should go to war, but I am open for opinions and influence. As I am British I am extremely worried of a terrorist attack. Also, if Husein has got long range weapons (doubtful), who do you think he would attack :

1. America, who most definately respond with everything in there arsenal causing nuke fallout all the way back over britain and then there home soil.

Or

2. Britain, who are the closer smaller target, but would result in America launching an all out attack in everything in there arsenal and producing a effect similar to the one above, but with the added effect of stray ICBM's finding there way to London, Birmingham and most of the British isles.

I can just see it now
Bush " what happened, did we get him ?"
Sec of Defence " yes sir, but we sastained casualties"
Bush " what, by who?"
Sec of Def " Us Sir"
Bush " What? who got hit"
Sec of Def " The British"
Bush " Darn those Brits, they always get in the way"

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An attack on Iraq's side would be a SUICIDE!! If they'd really intended to attack eithor of these countries, the whole NATO would instantly move in!

Those threads on Iraq's side won't turn in direct attacks...

BTW...I think a war should be avoided in any case...

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Iraq does not have ICBM's they have Scuds. The difference is Scuds are theater specific weapons. Max range, 700km. (the modefied Iraqi version.
http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/misc/sws_scud010426.shtml

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Also a US invasion of Iraq would turn into bloody house to house fighting in Bagdad and other cities. Unless of course we just carpet bomb them, in which case we lose all credibility (that out pResident hasn't already tossed to the wind.)

If there is a war, the US will absorb far more casualties then it wants to, also there is no clear reason to go in other than, "we are good Saddam is bad." Well, the US helped put him into power, so I think we should clean up our mess, but not this way.

Al-Queda in Iraq- Bull****. Hussein is nuts, but he aint' that nuts. His biggest fear is a populist Islamic uprising. The Majority in Iraq is Shi'ite Muslim, Hussein isn't. He remembers what happened in Iran, and proabably doesn't want to take chances on exile.

As for the weapons of Mass Destruction, this is pretty freakin' hypocritical. The US has acted like a "rogue state" for years, and has enough WMD's to destroy the world ten times. Everybody wants a BFH they can wave around as leverage, and in he long run the whole thing is nothng more than an international pissing-contest.
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What is political thread like this doing in TBP section...

Personally, I am not taking part of this discussion...

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Just a blurb. Don't read if you don't want weird stuff.

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Don't attack until it is necessary. Bomb the place with Tomahawks. DO NOT WASTE LIFE UNNECESARY. Just take out the known weapons factories and spy out the hidden factories with spy-sats and/or recon flights with the X2-BlackBird or its successor.

But if it isn't necessary, don't do it. people who do not want part of it would die unneccesarily.

not to mention Mother Nature would be hurt too...

It is a miracle she restored readily after the Burning of Kuwait.

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Quite wrong place for this, but why not...

USA really shouldn't be fooling around like this, it can only cause a WW3.

Yeah I understand a revenge, but why in gods name Bush is trying to make USA more and more police state? What is his goal? WW3? World Domination?

He has really mental sickeness... Wouldn't be suprised to see military cue on USA. That guy is worser than Clark!

That would be what I think, if you excuse me I must go to open door for FBI...

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I´m as a German are absolutely not in fear of a terror-attack.
I don´t belive Hussein has anything to do with 9.11.
Just to give the USA access to the iraqish oilfields i dont want to make war.

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Devils advocate, a bit....

If we dont attack, then the UN will have failed. It already has, actually.

16 resolutions were handed to Saddam at the "end" of the Gulf War. He broke ALL 16.

We sent in weapons inspectors as a response.

He kicked them out.

Well.......he must be taken out. He is an insane ****, we know that already. But he has broken the rules. We cant just keep sending weapon inspectors and have them booted out. Soon any member of the UN will be allowed to attack any other member and nothing will happen!

Saddam hit Iran and Kuwait. He defied UN rules so we attacked him. Gulf War. We stop and pull out, leaving him alive. He kills 5000 of his own people with chemical weapons. We know he will use what he has got now.

He breaks rules, we send inspectors. He boots them out.

He tries to make WMDs. We wanna re-send inspectors.

NO. We wanna stop him before he gets them. NOT by sending inspectors, but by taking him out. He is a ****wit.

BUT, we will lose men and women. At the first 100 soldiers dead, or even just 1, the people will get mad. Bush wont make next election.

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Bush already won't make the next election b/c he's an idiot.

WW3!?!? Please, maybe that would happen if we were attcking China or North Korea but Iraq? No way.

Iraq haas broken the rules and the U.N. has been a bunch of pansies. The U.N. should nevr have allowed the weapon inspectors to get kicked out.

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In my opinion we should have kicked that fat son-of-a-bitch's ass as part of Operation Desert Storm. Then we would have no worries what-so-ever about him.

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Bush already won't make the next election b/c he's an idiot.

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way to make an informative deduction

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Not all us Yanks are buying the Bu**** the administration is dishing out. There is a significant amount fo opposition, but of course ISN won't show that, we're all just one big happy species. Long live President Clark and his benevolent leadership!*

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This thread could get more heated then one started by Vett.

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Just send in one squad of Seals or SAS or SPECNAZ or Mossad agents to take him out.

No more problems?

I don't know.

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There's a good reason why political threads are not allowed in some forums...

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Yes...

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I don't get the "I don't want to get terror atacked" responce, it has been proven that these people will atack wether or not we atack a nation, at worst this would give people some warning as to when were gona get atacked
also the point is to stop him before he gets a nuke, if we wait untill after then Paris will be a smoldering crater, if we go now, LA might get some anthrax
this thing is like a backed up sewer, it's gona be a foul unplesent job, but the longer we wait the worse it's gona be, and it will back up into or homes if we wait too long, and then not only do we have the sewer to clean up, but theres a foul mess in our home as well

also this avoid war at ANY cost is insain, if it is clear that Sadam isn't going to play, as it is, than there is no choice other than to go in and remove the threat
I mean you could aviod war by laying down and surendering

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Just send in one squad of Seals or SAS or SPECNAZ or Mossad agents to take him out.

No more problems?

I don't know.

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lets calm down a bit and remenber past lessons:

News had it US was invading Yogoslavia as well back in 1999. As you know troops were sent there but I though (and well) 80 000 men wouldnt be enough (milosevic had about 200 000). US needed at least 600 000. US was afraid of public opinion if casualties occurred.

As a thumb rule, american doctrine dictates that if invasion scenario is at hand, the invading army needs to have an advantage of 3 to 1.

Iraq has now about 400 000 troops (in 1991 had 1 000 000)
USA would then need 1 200 000!!!

Conclusion: there a war already in progress: desinformation through TV. I heard all kinds of theories with sources such as german, british israeli and US news agencies.

A full scale invasion would cause irreversible civilizational hostilization, and bloodshed.

Chance is that a limited strike is in order, most of it consisting on smart weapons, that will give some steroids to US econmy.
At the same time some incursions will be made but no ground will be held. Objective is to destabilize Iraqi army psicologicaly, so panic is generated and make ppl opt for rebelion to survive.
The Iraqui Anti-saddam oposition will do all the dirty work.

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