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duel theme continue

I've read about the nova/G'quan duel and I propose to discus a new opportunity: A Omega/Primus duel!
Do not forget such aspects:
Omega's weaponory
-6 beam lasers (2 behind, 4 in front)
-2 I-do-not-know-what cannons
-12 anti-fighter cannons
-one and a half Thunderbolt squadrans
Primus' weaponory
-8 two-turret impulse cannons
-4 - 6 laser beam weapons
-12 fighters

P.S. sorry for the misspelling

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duel theme continue

I've read about the nova/G'quan duel and I propose to discus a new opportunity: A Omega/Primus duel!
Do not forget such aspects:
Omega's weaponory
-6 beam lasers (2 behind, 4 in front)
-2 I-do-not-know-what cannons
-12 anti-fighter cannons
-one and a half Thunderbolt squadrans
Primus' weaponory
-8 two-turret impulse cannons
-4 - 6 laser beam weapons
-12 fighters

P.S. sorry for the misspelling

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ok a gquan is basically equal to a primus as seen in the show its the vorchan thats the major threat in the centauri militry.


Omega would win hands down

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ok a gquan is basically equal to a primus as seen in the show its the vorchan thats the major threat in the centauri militry.


Omega would win hands down

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But of course, the Vorchan is smaller and one on one wouldn't normally beat a Q'Quan, a Primus or an Omega.

On the topic, I think that the weapons of the Omega are actually slightly different. As far as I'm concerned an Omega Class Destroyer is armed as follows:

2 forward mounted heavy pulse/laser cannons
4 rear mounted pulse/laser cannons
12 phalanx pods armed with a light pulse cannon
24-36 Starfury/Thunderbolt fighters

I also think that the Primus is armed as follows:

8 twin arrays (twin plasma/ion cannons)
4 wing mounted battle lasers
12 Sentri fighters

Personally I think that the laser weaponry between the two is comparable and arcs of fire only really come into it if the Omega is flanked.

The Primus has the edge on pulse weaponry and is the speciality weapon of the Centauri. This is balanced against the excellent Omega interceptors that can probably stop 50-80% of incoming shots at the expense of not being able to fire the main laser cannons.

The EA fighters are (as usual) the ace in the hole for the Omega both in terms of numbers and there may be a small performance edge over the Sentri fighters. The Starfuries would have to provide a covering screen to protect the Omega from incoming ion cannon shots and Sentris but would have to take out the Primus turrets to give the Omega a chance.

Overall in a straight fight I see the fighter battle tipping the balance one way or the other. If the the Sentris get their defensive line broken early in the battle then the Starfuries can systematically take out the Primus' turrets or at least distract their fire allowing the Omega to pummel the Primus with heavy weaponry. If the Sentris manage to engage most of the Starfuries successfully then even thought they will eventually lose, the Primus should have too much firepower for the Omega.

Due to the Primus' age, the Omega probably does not have much of a manoeuvrability disadvantage and can therefore concentrate all of its main guns on the Primus. I also believe that the Primus ought to try to get in close to maximise the chances of hitting with its twin arrays therefore meaning that fewer shots can be intercepted. Given the massive rear drive of the Omega but little else I find it hard to see the Omega stopping the Primus from basically charging it at full speed. This makes the fighters' job especially important as the battle is likely to be relatively short anyway.

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But of course, the Vorchan is smaller and one on one wouldn't normally beat a Q'Quan, a Primus or an Omega.

On the topic, I think that the weapons of the Omega are actually slightly different. As far as I'm concerned an Omega Class Destroyer is armed as follows:

2 forward mounted heavy pulse/laser cannons
4 rear mounted pulse/laser cannons
12 phalanx pods armed with a light pulse cannon
24-36 Starfury/Thunderbolt fighters

I also think that the Primus is armed as follows:

8 twin arrays (twin plasma/ion cannons)
4 wing mounted battle lasers
12 Sentri fighters

Personally I think that the laser weaponry between the two is comparable and arcs of fire only really come into it if the Omega is flanked.

The Primus has the edge on pulse weaponry and is the speciality weapon of the Centauri. This is balanced against the excellent Omega interceptors that can probably stop 50-80% of incoming shots at the expense of not being able to fire the main laser cannons.

The EA fighters are (as usual) the ace in the hole for the Omega both in terms of numbers and there may be a small performance edge over the Sentri fighters. The Starfuries would have to provide a covering screen to protect the Omega from incoming ion cannon shots and Sentris but would have to take out the Primus turrets to give the Omega a chance.

Overall in a straight fight I see the fighter battle tipping the balance one way or the other. If the the Sentris get their defensive line broken early in the battle then the Starfuries can systematically take out the Primus' turrets or at least distract their fire allowing the Omega to pummel the Primus with heavy weaponry. If the Sentris manage to engage most of the Starfuries successfully then even thought they will eventually lose, the Primus should have too much firepower for the Omega.

Due to the Primus' age, the Omega probably does not have much of a manoeuvrability disadvantage and can therefore concentrate all of its main guns on the Primus. I also believe that the Primus ought to try to get in close to maximise the chances of hitting with its twin arrays therefore meaning that fewer shots can be intercepted. Given the massive rear drive of the Omega but little else I find it hard to see the Omega stopping the Primus from basically charging it at full speed. This makes the fighters' job especially important as the battle is likely to be relatively short anyway.

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Come on! Not again... Outcome of battles are so dependant of starting situation. Every battle is different.

Anyways, Primus does have better overall armament than Omega. But Omega has much better armor. Primus is again faster and a bit more maneuverable.

Actually armament goes like this:

Omega:
2 heavy pulse guns on front.
2 heavy x-ray lasers on front.
4 light x-ray laser in behind.
4 heavy pulse guns in behind. (more limited fire arc than front guns)
12 anti-fighter weapon pods.
+interceptors to deflect incoming fire

Note: Omega's forward firepower is still greater than aft. This is because of more limited fire arc in aft weapons.

Primus:
8 heavy pulse batteries
4 light pulse batteries
4 beam cannons
+some sort of defensive system to deflect small amount of fire

Note: Primuses pulse weapons are located in both sides of it's wings, giving it excellent weapons coverage.

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Come on! Not again... Outcome of battles are so dependant of starting situation. Every battle is different.

Anyways, Primus does have better overall armament than Omega. But Omega has much better armor. Primus is again faster and a bit more maneuverable.

Actually armament goes like this:

Omega:
2 heavy pulse guns on front.
2 heavy x-ray lasers on front.
4 light x-ray laser in behind.
4 heavy pulse guns in behind. (more limited fire arc than front guns)
12 anti-fighter weapon pods.
+interceptors to deflect incoming fire

Note: Omega's forward firepower is still greater than aft. This is because of more limited fire arc in aft weapons.

Primus:
8 heavy pulse batteries
4 light pulse batteries
4 beam cannons
+some sort of defensive system to deflect small amount of fire

Note: Primuses pulse weapons are located in both sides of it's wings, giving it excellent weapons coverage.

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The interceptors brings up an interesting question - how will they be implemented in TBP? I know that you can't really include them (at least not without some major source code rewriting) but is the hull integrity of the EA ships increased to compensate? Also are there any plans (at all) to include interceptors at some point in the mod, however far in the future that may be?

Just a thought.

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The interceptors brings up an interesting question - how will they be implemented in TBP? I know that you can't really include them (at least not without some major source code rewriting) but is the hull integrity of the EA ships increased to compensate? Also are there any plans (at all) to include interceptors at some point in the mod, however far in the future that may be?

Just a thought.

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easy triggy they arnt gonna do interceptors because those where seen well in one battle only severed dreams


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easy triggy they arnt gonna do interceptors because those where seen well in one battle only severed dreams


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When you mention the G'Quan vs. Primus battle in "And Now For a Word," you have to take into account that that was a pretty odd situation. Evidently the captain of the Primus was pretty much a wuss, or under orders not to fire first, or too confused from the whole previous situation. If he had managed to open fire with as much force as the Primus in "The Fall of Night" had done against the G'Quan, the Narns would have been toast. As it was, he seemed to be pretty passive, or just caught too unaware.

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When you mention the G'Quan vs. Primus battle in "And Now For a Word," you have to take into account that that was a pretty odd situation. Evidently the captain of the Primus was pretty much a wuss, or under orders not to fire first, or too confused from the whole previous situation. If he had managed to open fire with as much force as the Primus in "The Fall of Night" had done against the G'Quan, the Narns would have been toast. As it was, he seemed to be pretty passive, or just caught too unaware.

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Triggy, there will not be interceptors on EA ships and similar countermeasure system on any other ships, like more advanced defensive fields on Centauri and Minbari ships. We just leave them off for all the ships, no big balancing issues whatsoever.

Edit: And my opinion about Primus vs. G'Quan and Primus vs. Omega is that all of them have quite good change of winning.

But Primus possesses the best tactical capabilities, only hull armor is not sufficient for a ship of this size. Otherwise it is very well capable on taking one on one battles against G'Quan or Omega. Also, the Centauri military has learned excellent tactics over centuries, the Centauri has been in space far more longer than Narns or Humans. Only Minbari ships (of the younger races) can take on the Centauri ships and still have good change of winning.

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Triggy, there will not be interceptors on EA ships and similar countermeasure system on any other ships, like more advanced defensive fields on Centauri and Minbari ships. We just leave them off for all the ships, no big balancing issues whatsoever.

Edit: And my opinion about Primus vs. G'Quan and Primus vs. Omega is that all of them have quite good change of winning.

But Primus possesses the best tactical capabilities, only hull armor is not sufficient for a ship of this size. Otherwise it is very well capable on taking one on one battles against G'Quan or Omega. Also, the Centauri military has learned excellent tactics over centuries, the Centauri has been in space far more longer than Narns or Humans. Only Minbari ships (of the younger races) can take on the Centauri ships and still have good change of winning.

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i think you should rephrase the good chance of winning part

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i think you should rephrase the good chance of winning part

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also i have to point out that the omegas beams dont just fire out the rear and front as seen in Messages from earth it fires out of the side to

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Only if one of the side turrets is armed with a beam weapon and I suspect that those turrets don't have the same level of power routing that the main guns would have (fore or aft) so I'm willing to bet those are short range and low damage.

In an engagement, I'd always give it to the Omega VS the Primus...but not in raw firepower. The Omega is much better suited for the engagement because of its fighters. Babylon 5's Aurora StarFury's did some serious damage to a Primus in Fall of Night and I think Thunderbolts can probably do significantly more. Leaving the Omega to punch through the hull, breach the reactor and blow it to bits.

Its impossible to really say for certain of course and if there was no fighters and both ships were lined up shooting at each other...the Primus would rip the Omega to shreds in very short order.

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