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Some people say planetary bombardment, others think its the best Space Superiority Capship ever made, and at least one person thought it was used for VIP Escort duty ONLY (cause of that one crusade ep).

So what would a Warlock's primary function be? Also would it be a stand alone ship like the Excaliber or a fleet asset/ command ship?

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well, since the Warlock is an EA vessel, I suppose it will be the flagship of battlegroups.. as for the rest, I think it has the same role as the Omega

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Warlock is probably the best thing since sliced bread for the Earth Alliance. Its a powerful warship that is designed for a multitude of purposes.

Its classified as a Destroyer and not a Dreadnought like the Nova class so its not as planetary bombardment oriented as the Nova is, however, it is far more capable of leading the ground assault than an Omega class destroyer is (LC's and space to ground missiles). Warlocks carry fighters (probably near equal to that of Omega's) and have impressive missile, pulse, and plasma weaponry, not to mention two of the most powerful Particle Beams mounted on any Earth Alliance ship.

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It blows ass off of anything that crosses it. Like this:

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More of a multi role type cap ship, it would lead an assault on a planet and most probably would be the command ship for the fleet for any offense in space...

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it was designed also as an assult ship - its more capable than the nova at plantary assult however it was designed with other roles in mind - ie space combat which it was designed to have overwhelming firepower and to out class anything in space - even upto sharlins - certainly amoung the younger rances the only ships better armed and more capable are the sharlin and the victory class destroyers - and even then there si no guaretee which way the battle would go - any of those ships could win against each other

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I think it was built for all that stuff, I also would like to see a Warlock fight a Sharlin then a Warlock fight a Victory. Because untill one dose, there is no way to know which way the battle will go...

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Victory class destroyer was designed to be the best multi-role destroyer out there, it surely can beat crap out of a Sharlin and a Warlock, without using it's main gun.

Victory is an excellent design:
Fast, maneuverable, excellent omni-directional firepower against both cap ships and fighters. And of course the main gun can beat both Sharlin and Warlock in a single shot. It can also be used for planetary bombardments, as we saw in Crusade.

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i would disagree that without its main gun it less than amazing - remember sheridans comments - thats not much more firepower thana whitestar and we all know a white star would recieve an asswhipping of a huge order if it went against a sharlin or warlock - i'll give you its faster than the warlock but the sharlin?????? this is humans first attemp at a pure gravitic drive system - but it does have good omni directional firepower but so does the sharlin - admitly the big teeth of the warlock are up front only though =( but anything in front of it is in for serious pain same can be said of the voctory but only with tis big vorlon gun and if its outnumbered using that is a bad plan. a warlock with support from an omega would win the battle no trouble well depends of cource on the battle the vicoty might get both ships with the vorlon gun before tehy have even opened fire but assume we have tactitians of equal standard and have equally good and bad luck

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Sharli is best

Warlock ain't so superior ship, ok granted that it is best ship class in yonger races (except Excalibur). Minbaris aren't younger race they are one of oldest of younger races. Excalibur has 4-5 white star beam cannons in front and they are same model as Minbari Sharlis have (mayby not as strong as Sharli's cannons) and how many cannons Sharli has in front 8-12 mayby? Vorlon tech used in Excalibur as main cannon isin't able to kill Sharli with one shot and after firing they are vulnerable as one minute and what comes to armors its almost same armor than Minbari cruisers both drain some of energy out from blast. Shadows were highly advanced and ten or twenty years ahead than Vorlons. They had better beam cannons and better armor (yes first fight Vorlons beated shadows, but they suprised them and get shadow pilots confused). It taked many shadow ship hits to kill Sharli and as its said only Warlock has getted near power of Sharlis. So here is my point: Sharlis is old, but they still beat almost every ship.

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About Victory destroyers:

It is Interstellar Alliance ship, Minbari provided technology and some resources while EA provided most resources and built the two destroyer prototypes. Notice that they were prototypes, not field tested, I'm sure that before mass-production Victories will receive some upgrades.

Because Minbari provided technology, Victory is in every aspect at least as advanced as Sharlin is.

When is comes to 1 vs. 1 battle, I think it is following:
1. Victory
2. Sharlin
3. Warlock

Both Sharlin and Warlock can seriously damage Victory but Victory will win without using it's main gun.

Say, is there any reason why ISA would build new class of destroyers if older ships are better? That would be really stupid.

And Victory's main gun can destroy even Sharlin or Warlock in single shot, the main gun destroyed 52 km long Drakh mothership in single shot.

YES: Minbari provided technology and some resources, EA constructed everything and provided most of the required materials. And Victory has human crew because ISA lent the Victory to EA for searching cure to plague.

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Ditto, Mr. Fury.

Also I like the comment that the Shadows are ten or twenty years ahead of the Vorlons (in the context of millions of years of technological evolution)

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yah i think a victory can whoop an arse of a warlock ewen that i have seen it only 1 time

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LOL! Who had the idea of the VIP-Escort? Would be nice. Let´s build the most powerful EA vessel ever as a VIP Escort.

I also want to have a ~2 km long mbs for my own!!

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lady Rose
Shadows were highly advanced and ten or twenty years ahead than Vorlons.

Vorlons and Shadows are in space for millions of years. The difference of 10 or 20 or 100 years don´t chance anything.

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hmm what is the warlock made for TO KICK ASS

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shadows better than vorlons????? in beam cannons?????????? did you not see the vorlons blow away a planet witha beam cannon ????????? the shadows weapons appear to be weaker - and armour??? i again see no evidence shadow armour is better infact a battel crab only managed to scratch a vorlon dreadnaught tenticle - the vorlons kick ass - and vicoty is the best ship around now but withouth its main cannons hmm not impressed with those extra cannons the firepower was not very impressive compared to teh whitestar.

and as to which ship would win - down to the battle - i doubt even teh victory stand upto the warlocks main guns for long and of cource the main guns of the victory can take a sharlin - they are a huge cannon

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The beam weapon on Whitestar is quite similar to the power of most weapons on Sharlin. Sharlin just have a motha load of them, as Victories have too. Power requirements for those weapons is not essential because Victory have power source that is at least as advanced as Sharlins, possibly more advanced, Sharlin is hundreds of years old anyways.

Yes, Warlock's two main beam guns may be very powerful indeed, but it's also Warlock's weakness. The two beams can only fire forwards, and Victory is damn maneuverable and fast. If Warlock misses first shot, then it's in bad trouble. Victory most likely have some sort of countermeasure system against missiles, and of course gatling cannons in wingtips to shoot down incoming missiles.

Scene where a Shadow battlecrab shoots at Vorlon dreadnought is unclear is many ways. How big was this battlecrab? Did it wanted to destroy or warn the dreadnought? Was it firing at full power?

I am sure that the biggest Shadow battlecrab can destroy Vorlon dreadnough in one slice, perhaps even middle sized crab can. Vorlon ships are not that powerful, if a battlecrab can be destroyed then sluggish dreadnought can be too.

It seems like Vorlons have gone to firepower and armour rather than speed and maneuverability, it is also unknown if dreadnoughts have any guns covering sides and rear, if not then that's a serious weakness.

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The Shadows are even older than the vorlons.
The Shadows don't even need jumppoints to enter or leave hyperspace , they "phase" in our out.

The only advantage the vorlons have over the shadows is their fighter.
It seems the vorlon fighter outperforms the shadow fighter in terms of firepower and vulnerability while the battlecrab seems to be slightly superior to a similar vorlon vessel.

But, if vorlons meet shadows , everything is possible.

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You said that 10 or 20 years doesn't chance anything, because they are already so advanced. I say that always even years of advance in tech is vital no matter how old you are (Remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki).

Tech advance is always needed. Who you think would rule the universum some of non-allieng worlds perhaps? Like it was said shadows didn't even need jump engines to depart they just vanished and it seems that their fighters have same ability.
Like someone said that Vorlons were superior only in fighters. Yes you are right Vorlon planet killer can plow up a planet. But don't you think that shadow death cloud has more devastating result in other races. The purpose of death cloud is cause terror in hearts of any enemies they have, so I think that shadows got it just right in their needs and planet stays always there to memory of shadows. Drakh mother ship isin't really so good ship. In one scene Delenns white star killed one remember? Yes Drakh were allies of shadows, but really think that shadows would reveal secrets of their tech?

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