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Okay guys, a serious debate about Shivans and if they have installations or not. At least, thats the opinions I'm looking for.

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What do I think. I've got varying opinions on this one. The Shivans could be total nomads wandering the stars....but to build a fleet of ships like the Sathanas...or even the Ravana class ships, you need a method of constructing that...so some sort of fixed installation would be required. Unless the Shivans use mobile construction yards. I doubt that an unfinished ship could survive a subspace jump however...so I don't know. Kind of at square one with this argument.

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hmmm......well the the Sathanas true purpose is unknown, just like the Mesphito frieghter. What if Sathanas were actually plants for making fighters and smaller vessels. Or they could use biological means to convert an asteriod into a sathanas. Hell if I know, but that is a good question.

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Shivan technology may be indistinguishable from magic, but I doubt a biological process is in the use of ship-construction.

Their fighters and capital ships work on the same principles as Terran and Vasudan designs, but infinitely more advanced and refined despite the full capacities rarely used.

We do know that objects going at a velocity other than 45 meters per second are destroyed by tidal forces when entering sub-space.

This does not rule out mobile construction yards however.

We can deduce that objects with more mass have more nodes, thus neutron stars are in nexus points and their matter is dense.

Shivan hulls are thin, but dense, so could matter from these stars be in the construction process?

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Good point, but if you look at the Derelict Campaign, they said that the Lucifer was a cross between metals and living substances, so about anything is possible. Only V knows the answer to our questions.

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That's what they said

Sufficiently advanced nano-technology would perfectly emulate biologicals, which is what I personally believe the Lucifer was mainly comprised of.

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Well, I doubt Shivans have "Installations."

Judging from what I read in the "Shivans" topic in general discussion, the large Sathanis, and other vessels (Possibly bigger) do the tactical thinking for the fleet...

Am I ok to assume this?

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good, but I think they might be like the borg in a way, and have a hive mind. What Shivans we see maybe are like the warrior ants, and could just be "drones" for something bigger. Or they could be like the gimahdar and are just cloned over and over...well that would be the same thing though.

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well, if we ever find out what the motivation behinnd the shivn's campaign was, we would be able to make better hypothesis.

personally, the way their campaign was run, i would tend to think that either there was a command ship deep in enemy territory were we couldn't get at it, or they have a communications system that alows them to communicate with thier home.

the arguments for them living in space is their biological construction. they are at home in space. also, they showed absolutley no interest taking posetion of any of the planets in the systems that they conquered. they merely bypassed the planets or scoured them clean. this could mean that instead of a full planet, they might have evolved in an asteroid belt or maybe a very small moon. the asteroid thing could work if it was a very dense feild. the only limitation on it is wether or not their carapace (exoskelatal shell) is capable of withstanding a hard vacuum. lso, none of their ships incorperate streamlining to allow atmoshperic capability. they might have some, but if they had any interest in planetary environments, than more of their ships would incorperat at least some streamlining and the basic design features to allow a ship to land. while i admit a lot of terran and vesudan ships also do not contain these features, their are some, especially in the older generations of multipourpose ships. also, their is at least one class in every type of small craft that incorperates the disign features neccessary to allow atmospheric manouvering and landing. the vesudans alos incorperate these features into some of their small craft, though they have a larger number different types.

their campaign could be explained as either a xenophobia or a religious crusade. aslo, their connection with subspace has never been fully explained, they migh consider it their personal domain, and as such, they might feel they have the right to shoot all trespassers.

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We do know that objects going at a velocity other than 45 meters per second are destroyed by tidal forces when entering sub-space.

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hmmmmmmmm - shivans - installations -hmmmm how about installations in subspace - perhaps they do like neutron stars for contruction could be another reason the blew up capella - also i dont think shivans are that much more advanced than gtva - they dont seem to develop they just exsist in there forma dn dont change - otherwise after 8000 years tehy would be well more advanced than the gtva and no terran fighter would stand a change against evena shivan cargo pod - either than or they are increibually dumb and it takes them that long to work new stuff out - but installations they do have some - remember the comm node - that is an installation of a sort

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Installations are big... comm nodes aren't

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they are still a stationary object and theya re still quite big - and they are bound to have something bigger somewhere even if it does move a moving base is still an installation

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Face it I'm right you are wrong...

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nope

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Yes!!!!

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Nope. I agree with KMN... You're just spamming tho...

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We know that Comm Nodes appear to be non-motile, which means that Shivan installations are more than possible.

From the great war we also know that the Shivans use their transports and cargo depots as mobile spaceyards. (i.e. repairing of the Taranis as well as the mission "Enter the Dragon")

Could it be that Comm Nodes are also mobile? ...that the Shivans merely have massive cargo and transport clusters for yards?

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We know that Comm Nodes appear to be non-motile, which means that Shivan installations are more than possible.

From the great war we also know that the Shivans use their transports and cargo depots as mobile spaceyards. (i.e. repairing of the Taranis as well as the mission "Enter the Dragon")

Could it be that Comm Nodes are also mobile? ...that the Shivans merely have massive cargo and transport clusters for yards?

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Actually V was too tired to build more models!

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We know that Comm Nodes appear to be non-motile, which means that Shivan installations are more than possible.

From the great war we also know that the Shivans use their transports and cargo depots as mobile spaceyards. (i.e. repairing of the Taranis as well as the mission "Enter the Dragon")

Could it be that Comm Nodes are also mobile? ...that the Shivans merely have massive cargo and transport clusters for yards?

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