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A question that many believe that would be more suited for the BWO forums, yet amazingly is a core piece of tBE, is why hasn't the GTVA contacted Sol over 32 years?

What are your thoughts and/or ideas to this mystery almost as baffling as the Shivans?

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One that I just thought up right now, was what effect the collapse of the subspace node would have on communications. Perhaps the reason they have been unable to contact Sol is because the energy from the collapse is still dissipating and perhaps its distorting or affecting the medium that the GTVA communicates in (subspace radio I assume or even just snail mail radio ).

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I smell a plot hole they could drive the Voyager through....

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lol, true Shrike

What we do know of sub-space is that corridors are opened over distances. "Sub-space radio" over long distances seems rather impossible, and such communication would require exact sending and receiving coordinates.

Killjoy theorized for the original FSURP that intersystem relays built into the comm buoys are used to store and transmit communications through small sub-space jumps. (i.e. ISRS or Inter system relay systems would be at every node)

In-system communications would be transmissions through the buoy net using an in-system drive, as well as radio type frequencies or laser to the target.

This doesn't eliminate an array built in Alpha Centuari to attempt to communicate Earth with radio and laser systems.

These would be of course at the speed of light (4 years each way) and would require the other side listening.

The distances, debris or effects which can cause signal loss (Kuiper belt/Oort objects, gravity distorting wave "aim," other noise in the system, etc.) would also limit effectiveness.

Now I'm theorizing that the sub-space cataclysm of the Lucifer did alter some of the deep range gravity effects near Sol which pertained to the node. This would make the radio signals even more difficult since at least a decade would be required to use the signals off of known targets and wells to "ping" for the alterations.

Since we know that small serieses of intra-system jumps will cease to operate once outside of a gravity well, such as the star's, a ship cannot be sent in this manner.

Would the GTVA reduce itself to conventional drives to establish communication?

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This doesn't eliminate an array built in Alpha Centuari to attempt to communicate Earth with radio and laser systems.

These would be of course at the speed of light (4 years each way) and would require the other side listening.

The distances, debris or effects which can cause signal loss (Kuiper belt/Oort objects, gravity distorting wave "aim," other noise in the system, etc.) would also limit effectiveness.

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The problem is that there are a number of very clear channels (such as the 21-cm hydrogen band, if I'm not mistaken) that can penetrate lightyears of the thickest nebular gases. And since we know that there's no nebulae between Alpha C and us, attempts to use massive radio transmitters should give a fairly easy but slow method of communication. Well, at least we know [V] isn't infallible.

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Maybe Sol just aren't listening. As far as they know nothing else
survived. They may think that everything else was wiped out
by the Shivans before, or after, the Lucifer was destroyed.
And if they were listening they would probably still be using the
same frequencies they did before, thinking that they are the
most likely ones to hear anything on. Also, would Sol continue
to pump resources into listening for four years minimum on all
possible channels? It seems unlikely to me.

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True Shrike, but even the hydrogen band can be distorted by the more massive objects I mentioned, and radio singals still have to worry about being effected by gravitational wells or other warps in the fabric of space

Still, Sol needs to be listening... but once again is there any other way to get a signal through?

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Hmmm...

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What about using gravity waves? I don't remember seeing anything on whether or not GTVA had gravity generators but since Bosch is shown standing up in what appears to be normal gravity, I'm going to assume they have the technology in Bosch's time and also had it 32 years earlier when the node collapsed (Why not? It's probably as easy as falling off a log, once you get the concept). A powerful gravity generator at Alpha C could send pulses to Sol at light speed in some established GTVA code.

As far as Sol listening. Why wouldn't they be? They've got to be living in fear. They don't know if some kind of attack is imminent, they don't know anything - except that the node is gone. I've got to assume that looking and listening to the sky would become a Sol-human obsession. If gravity technology exists, then they would be listening with gravity detectors as well as more standard electromagnetic wave detectors, probably looking for incoming Shivans as much as signals from the rest of the GTVA.

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Wait how would they have communicated anyways? There would have been at least a ____ year lag to the nearest system Well anyways, that would wreck the plot lol

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They contacted Sol but the CIA kept it secret.

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Now wouldn't THAT be a shocker..some outside force telling lies and so forth to the Sol military by using a form of communication unknown, and causing the Sol forces to attack the GTVA?

Or..something like that.

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Outside forces? Who said anything about outside forces?

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Outside forces? Who said anything about outside forces?

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In BWO my resoning for the lack of contact with Sol was that KBOs and the Oort cloud were a major barrier to communication - remember, we don't even know how extensive the Oort cloud is (or what it contains, really). However, if there are things half the size of Pluto out there, and a possible trillion objects total, there's some chance that you'll hit something big on the way in.

However, as the Charon nears completion, the GTVA will be training equipment upon the system...

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Who said the GTVA didn't communicate with Sol on the first place? Remember that on the game you're only a pilot, without much access to classified material. The GTVI could keep the whole deal secret if they wanted. Maybe they know that what's happening on Sol, and maybe they know that it is a matter of allied security.

They obviously knew what ETAK was all about, and what Bosch's plans were from the beginning - but they still tried to convince you otherwise.

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It cant be good for ther morale to hear SOL has gone total Anarchy

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Maybe the Sol goverment wanted to keep it's grasp on Earth, and thus kept the transmissions to themselves and told the general populace that the GTVA had abandoned them, thus turning the population against the GTVA and firmly in the grip of the Sol Government.

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Or maybe there has not been any atempt to contact Sol. Perhaps the GTVI was too occupied making their conspiracies(don't ya just luv it when they do that?) so they just lied to GTVA high command that they tried to contact Sol but they got no reply.

In another senario, when the GTA fragmented into many factions any atempt to contact Sol was disrupted because of the large depression and political wars.

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Maybe the GTVI could be hidding something....Remember silent threat? The GTVI could have made SOL mad at the GTVA and SOL would attack after the GTVI been communicating to SOL...Who knows. My two ce....errmmm...40 bucks

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