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Okay we know they blow up the Capella star, but why? Maybe they where trying to get home like the Terrans are? Maybe part of Boshes plan he’s got going with the Shivans? I want to here what you think!

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I don't know why the Shivans destroyed the Capella star, but I can tell you what didn't happen.

1) The Shivans did not blow up the Capella star as a show of force to make the Terrans and Vasudans "back off". That is the most preposterous of arguments I've heard.

2) The Shivans did not destroy the Capella star because it allowed them easy access to Sol or anywhere else in the GTVA. The combined fleets of the GTVA in Capella DID NOT hold the Shivans in that system. Ten of those Juggernaughts would have been overkill against whatever the Terrans and Vasudans had ammased at the jump points out of the system. So if the GTVA was the target, the Shivans would just have pushed through with their fleet and sustained very little in the way of losses (as if they cared about that).

As for what did happen, this is what we can realistically inference. Based on the Command Briefing, we know that the Shivans were generating a massive subspace field around the star. Presumably using the reactor power of the Juggernaughts and the collapsing star, the Shivans opened a subspace portal of a special variety (we know that the Shivans have advanced subspace technologies, most which have not been witnessed). I suspect that it is either a gateway to a distant star system or another galaxy. Subspace is in itself another dimension so im sort of rulling that possibility out.

The collapse of the star would definately provide alot of power to the goal.

So we can pretty much guess the BASIC reason for destroying the star. As for the overall objective, that is a total unknown.

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Now see!!!! This is why the MUST make a FreeSpace 3!! They can't do this to me!!! Just ending it like that! So much story untold! *SCREAM*

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Maddening isn't it.

In the meantime, I've done the most comprehensive study of most of the FS2 storyline. Its not hugely massive (you can only cram so much story into 40 missions) so its pretty easy to do in your head, but its interesting to see how things play out.

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Yes, we clearly see the sathanas jumping out just before the star collapses (exepted for a few that are toasted). I always thought that the collapsing of the star generated a huge increment in the mass, that alowed the creation of a temporary huge jump node, able to give to the entire sathanas fleet the oportunity to jump through a very long subspace tunel ( I think that jump nodes needs gravitational forces of any kind to exist, that's why there are nodes next to planets, and the greater is the grav/mass intensity, the farther the subspace tunnel will go, but that's just my very own belief).
Know why do the shivan needed to jump so far? well I have no idea...

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Hmmm... Maybe the want to go home?

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Venom's statement that the collapse of a star may create a temporary sub-space node of massive proportions is a rather plausible theory.

We do know that stable sub-space nodes have a tie with the mass of major stellar objects. (generally heavier mass systems or regions have more nodes)

The alteration of mass in the Capella star may have created a temporary sub-space node for the Shivan forces to mobilize, or may have created a series of permanent sub-space nodes as a counter to some threat to the stability of sub-space. (whether this is somehow tied to Terran-Vasudan disruptions and activations of nodes such as the destruction of the Sol node and activation of the Knossos portal can be debatable)

I believe that Bosch and the destruction of the Capella star are not connected events, and that Bosch is a minor part of the overall equation.

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I did basically say that the stars explosion equaled subspace node effect. The corridor would be quite extensive I would assume.

You're probably right about Bosch Ace, but right after he was captured, the big thrust was made. Coincidence perhaps...but maybe not. Perhaps whatever intellect guides them realized something.

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Maybe they took the oportunity to 'iron out a wrinkle' in subspace once the knossos portal was opened. Moving the Sathani in to get the ball rolling, but first they had to clear out the annoying pest, ie the GTVA. The GTVA itself was meaningless beyond that, unlike in FS1, where they were set for termination.

The destruction of the Capella star was, in all likelyhood, almost spur of the moment....they had no way of knowing that the knossos portal was going to be opened. If they had forwarning, they'd have had all 80 garden claws waiting to move in.

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Which leads to the next problem with the subspace-supertravel theory: Why Capella? As far as I understand, it was a fairly average star. I agree that the show-of-force thing is stupid, but I find it equally stupid to argue that the Shivans were just passing through.
Also, I find it hard to believe Bosch had anything to do with Capella- 80-odd Sathanas's would have to have come from a widespread area(FS2 did give the impression of converging) and would have to have started long before the Shivans had a little chat with Bosch.

One theory I've been turning around is that the Shivans were deliberately trying to seal the GTVA off of the rest of the galaxy. A jump node into a hot nebula would be unusable for a millenia or two. The only question is, of course, why? Fear is out- the Shivans could crush the GTVA anytime. FS1 called the Shivans the "Great Preservers"- was the GTVA being put in a galactic reservation?

Probably not. The FS2 story was designed to make people ask questions like this, so that when they produced triumphant answers everyone would ooh and ahh. A fine strategy for building a good story- as long as you finish it.

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I have another theory on this:-

The nebula beyond gamma drac was infested with shivans right?? right.

And then the knossos system beyond THAT wasn't nebula,but it was FLOODED with shivans,and there were shivan juggernauts jumping into THAT system from a 3RD knossos.

My guess is that the shivans LOVE nebula,they need it to survive.but slowly,after a couple of centuries,a supernova remnant nebula evaporates and dissapears(no bull,i read a fact space book to find out this).
My guess is that either the shivans gather nebula gas for their homworld,OR,they live on the planets that are IN nebulas,Which expains why the shivans make supernovas.they do it to get more nebula.

For the GTVA to stop the galaxy turning into 1 big nebula,the have to stop the shivans from massing so many juggernauts.

When the shivans neared the capella sun,the exposed a waek point the GTVA could of exploited if they had more ships.the shivan were very busy,even though they had 100 sathanas',the sathanas' that were going to blow the capella sun were to busy charging their supernova weapon to fight any ships.thats why they had to use all those bombers and other ships.if they didn't keep the GTVA AWAY from the juggernauts,the GTVA might of tried to launch an attack.If the GTVA blew up ENOUGH juggernauts,OR blew up just 1 just before they fired the weapon,they might of stopped the sathanas fleet from blowing up capella.

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Naah. It was just a big BBQ

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I don't think the nebula means anything much to the Shivans. Its just another environment they have adapted to.

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My Theorys:

1. The shivans had sent in a scouting party from afar to find a star big enough to allow them to 'warp' home. Capella happend to be the perfect size to allow them to travel 'home'
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2. The shivans needed a star small enough and had enough of a certain chemical for the Sathanas fleet to destroy so they could travel home.

I know I know my theories suck, thats why I mostly leave them to others hehee


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Actually the nebula might have a certain meaning to the shivans... you could say, a place for them to live. Their population might have been ENORMOUS and they needed another place for them to live. So the nebula might have a certain meaning, even religious(who knows? )

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There trying to take all of the helium out of the star in order to make balloons.

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The only thing is that Capella was Shivan territory during Descent: FreeSpace. Which brings up the interesting question...why destroy the sun in the FreeSpace 2 present instead of 32 years before. I suppose the rest of the Sathanas fleet might not have been in place...or anywhere close...but that seems like thats too easy.

There is more afoot than we know

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Okay I was thinking about this last night. Here is what I came up with. The Shivans can no longer get to there home system, I think a ship exploded while it was traveling through the subspace node to the shivan home system and it made subspace around there home system to volatile to travel through, even for the shivans. *Since they don’t have to use subspace nodes all the time* Then they went out looking for some way to get home, and they found the ancients and there subspace gates. The Shivans studied the subspace gates and found that they could *cut* through the volatile subspace allowing them to travel to their home system safely. But they needed to build one on both sides, so they sent there scouting party *the fleet from freespace 1* To find a certain star. Now maybe the Capella star was releasing a kind of radiation that we could not detect or was in a certain position in the galaxy. Then the scouting party sent a message to the main shivan fleet and then they began gathering the juggernauts while the scouting party attack the terrans and the vasudans to keep them away from capella. It took them this long to gather there fleet because they where so far away. Now that first shivan cruiser that came out of the jump gate was checking the system to see what kind out forces if any were there. Okay jumping ahead to when the juggernauts were around the capella star. We now they where doing some thing to subspace maybe be they were making a *channel* for the subspace tunnel that the star made to follow and to make it stable enough for them to travel through also destroying the star. Maybe right when it’s about to be destroyed is when the subspace tunnel is formed. Now the tunnel made by the star pushed through the volatile subspace around their home system. Now we saw that most of the juggernauts entered subspace, and some stade behind. I think the ones the left entered the subspace tunnel and traveled to their home system with enough resources and the blueprints to build a subspace gate. The ones that stade behind sacrificed them selves to keep the subspace tunnel stade enough for the other juggernauts to travel through to their home system. Now That’s what I think.

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the only pb is that shivan don't care about knossos or volatile nodes. Remember? the GTVA destroyed the knossos, so what was leeft was probably a VERY unstable node (otehrwise by a knossos there?). And the shivan did jump in anyway... Shivan are better than ancients were for subspace travel, I can bet.

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Actually, the Knossos portals reactivation finished the job of permanently stablizing the node.

The Knossos portal was opened by Captain Romeig and the GTC Trinity, not the Shivans. They couldn't activate the portal from the other side but they did move quickly.

Bosch triggered something that was "not meant to happen yet".

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