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A Dyson Sphere would be an awesome mod. It'd only be a small section though because a full spere would be over 12 billion miles in diameter. But a small section would still be pretty cool, and have maybe a small doorway to enter into it. Once inside you could just have a custom background showing the inside of the sphere. That would be a cool idea for a campaign, perhaps have it as the origin of the Shivans. Perhaps they were a created race used as a test for living on the inner surface of the sphere. Then a catastrophe occured on the home planet, and the Shivans then started to build technology. Tell me what you think of the idea, and if anyone wants to use it, go ahead.

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What is a dyson sphere?

I've never heard of it.

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even just a small segment would need to be huge in the extreme to give the feeling and look that it was a sphere - i think to look real it would need to be at least 20 million meters across and while a low poly count might be possible i believe the games engines has problems with objects that big - but someone could try it - just to check -b ut my death star at 4million meters cause sever problems

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its supposedly a sphere built around a star at about the distance of a an earth like planet - i think thats about 9 million miles in radius or there abouts - the idea was first came up with buy a guy called freeman john dyson born in 1923 not sure if hes still alive or not and he was is a quatum physicist

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If you've ever heard of Ringworld by Larry Niven, it's a partially completed Dyson Sphere.

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I first heard of it in a ST:TNG book called Dyson Sphere. It had an article in the back by a physicist who helped write the book acout the Valkyrie rocket and Dyson Spheres.

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It was also in the ST:TNG episode where Scotty from the original series fame was stuck in a transporter for 70 some years. The only problem with them is that a star could go nova and pretty much eradicate thousands of years of work in mere seconds.

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the idea was by some guy named freeman dyson, and the sphere would be about 16 lightseconds across, or 2 au (1 au=distance from the earth to the sun) it might be a little larger or a little smaller, but not by much.

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The only problem with them is that a star could go nova and pretty much eradicate thousands of years of work in mere seconds.

That's especially true when you're fighting Shivans...

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Of course, if I were making a dyson sphere, I'd make the outside impervious to attack. The only thing about it would be natural causes could take it out.

If that think had a diameter of 1 au, think about the inside surface of it. I'm too lazy to do the actual calculations on it, but the surface would be absolutely massive. You'd be able to house pretty much every sentient race in Star Trek in it with room to spare.

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Originally posted by Dynamo:
It was also in the ST:TNG episode where Scotty from the original series fame was stuck in a transporter for 70 some years. The only problem with them is that a star could go nova and pretty much eradicate thousands of years of work in mere seconds.

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So, what is the point of this thing?

What does it do?

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A few things:
1. Allows you to have use all the energy the star emits.
2. Allows more area for colonization.
3. Makes system pratically impervious to attack.

Note: Here's a few poinsts on some of the replies:
1. The book Dyson Sphere is set on the same Sphere as in the episode.
2. If you read the book or saw the episode on ST, you'd see that the species who created it destroyed hundreds of stars to gain the material.

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i cant remember the exact details but i believe if you collected every scrap of matter within our solar system ie all teh planets and asteriods and probally the ort cloud too the there would be enough matter to make a dyson sphere aprox 15 meters thick out shell - or was it 50 i cant remember - witha radius of about 90 million miles (1 AU)obvious flaw with that would be that not all the matter int he solour system is suitable for contruction with - infact most of it isn't but minor point - also freeman dyson in his proposed sphere it wasn't a solid object - it would be a huge number of citys in space all following there own orbits so a complete sphere wouldn't need built since the polar regions if the object was soloid would be under tremendous gravitaion stress and would be of no use for habitation since it wouldn't be spinning to create gravity and if it wasn't solid then there polar obrits could cause collsion troubles they would need to be at a different orbital altitude - you'd be better off creating a ring around the middle of a star so it would all be habitable and the energy collected would still be huge since the surface area would be - huge and i cant be bothered to calculate an aproximate value now

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Of course, in the book and the show the species who created it was hyper-advanced and had huge gravity generators which actually drained energy from the sun of the system . . . But they could also warp subspace to their needs. So they would most likely be as advanced or more advanced than the Ancients.

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Have you ever heard of a period?

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The ring idea is definately better

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I was also thinking in terms of MODs. With the Dyson Sphere idea, you could make a big old section about maybe 15-30 KM x 15-30 KM section with an open entrance in it. But with the ring idea you could fly around and see that the section is incomplete.

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obviously, if you have gravity generators, you can use them the stablise the gravitational effects at the poles. even if it takes alot of power, who care, you have the entire power output of a star to power it. they gravity generators would also alleviate the need for spinning the sphere, which is a really good thing, i mean really, where would you get the thrust needed to spin the damn thing up. the ringworld idea is amuch mor feasable idea, it uses less material, it also allow easy access to spase (hatches in the side instead of the bottom) and you actullay have a snowball's chance in hell of spinning the thing up to one g

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remember because of its size it wouldn't have to spin fast - the bigger the ring the slower it need to spin so and remember all the things are already orbiting the star so minor push and you'd be there

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