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Lonestar
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Registered: Nov 2000
Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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Fred Zone
I just wanted to thank Orange and Icefire for helping me get hosted. I really appreciate this chance you have given, and i hope we all benefit from it.
If anyone here has suggestions, comments, or even flames let me know, it could be most valuable to me and the site.
I also have a question. I wonder if VW will link me? If they are, what category do i fit in?
If you were and just didnt have time, sorry to be bothersome, if not heres a little reminder.
If anyone visiting here has some interesting Fred 2 info i may not have, it would be great if i could see them.
Thanks for Listening and here's the site
[url="http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/fredzone/index.shtml"]http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/fredzone/index.shtml[/url]
Edit: And for you Multiplayer's, Fred Zone is about to release, in about 1 weeks time barring any huge problems, Our first Multiplayer Mission pack, filled with Team vs Team Missions and Coop's. All are fresh and new, and hopefully will bring back that old feeling of fs2 back to the online scene.
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Disaster
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Location: Earth
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Well , if flameing is you ask , then flameing is what you get 
First off , what's with the name? I'd appreaciate it if you stated clearly on the site "Not Part of the Volition Zone Network". Thanks.
The frontpage should be nice and inviteing. Also , you chose FSW for a host! Good Choice , it comes with great benefits! USE UM!! There polls are l33t , do I see a poll? No. I'm sure you could think of one , it helps make your site more...I can't think of the word.
Oh yeah , Screenshots on your main page is usually a no no. Some people have 28.8k (Sucks to be you) and they rarely even look at screenshot thumbnails being aware of there large size. I'd suggest removeing them from the main page and putting them on a diff one.
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<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
Ok , you can use Frontpage to make it , but atleast not let everyone know about it! Useing FP is so unl33t.
I know this may seem harsh , but yet again you asked for it.
Why in gods name did you use that message board? Are you crazy? YOU HAVE THE UBB AT YOUR DISPOSAL. IF they don't let you use that , atleast use KAzan's clone! Thats..pathetic!
Ok , your logo has a blue line around it. You know why? Because you have your hyperlinks set like that. But , sence I'm a giveing man I'll help you out. But this in your <Head> Tag.
<style>
a{text-decoration: none;}
</style>
THere yah go! Good job! It'll really help your site.
UGh on the navigation! You should have a > on everything that extends out so we're not experimenting with each one to see if it goes out.
The banner is in an ok space , but try to do what they did at [url="http://www.volitionwatch.com"]www.volitionwatch.com[/url] and make your site work with the banner
Ok , I guess this isn't flameing but more as suggestions.
Important Note - WITHOUT A DOUBT NOTE THAT ITS NOT PART OF THE VOLITION ZONE NETWORK. Dont' want people to get confused 
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quote:
Originally posted by Disaster:
First off , what's with the name? I'd appreaciate it if you stated clearly on the site "Not Part of the Volition Zone Network". Thanks.
Actually, since he got his site up and running first, VZ should be the one clearly stating that FRED Zone is not part of it's network. Of, course, it would be polite for FRED Zone to post a little note too.
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Lonestar
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Um ok
I had no idea i had to specify that but i will if you insist.
As for the rest of your "suggestions" im working on the site still, and many things will change.
As for a forum i thought i can have only one, i need more. Im sorry that u dislike the EZboard, put for now it has to do.
If i was allowed to have my own UBB which i would buy, i would.
Screenshots, thank you for the info, alas i never heard a 56ker complain at all, and ive asked plenty. But ill take your advice on moving it to diff page.
As for a poll, news to me
And what else? Oh yeah front page is gonna change to flash, very soon, just finishing up on it.
Ill come back later, supper is ready
thanks, i guess
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Lonestar
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Registered: Nov 2000
Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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Ok supper isnt ready
Blue line on logo, i did it on purpose.
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Ok , you can use Frontpage to make it , but atleast not let everyone know about it! Useing FP is so unl33t
Hmmm, i dont feel ashamed that i use it. I know it needs not be there, but it is and i never cared.
Navigation, thank you.
Banner work with site, got ya 
Im gonna ask this, why should I specify what im not part of, when i have already specified what i am part of?
Should i say im not part of yahoo and ross128 as well?
Not trying to be flammatory but its an honest question.
I would think you coming out after me, you would, for your own benefit, specify the difference between your site and FSW, Fred Zone and any others.
BTW, im not elite, i have been doing websites and html for about 3 months, and still learning. I like to think that ive come pretty far in 3 months, without help.
Anymore suggestions are appreciated. Disaster some of your suggestions will be implemented and i thank you for your time.
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Disaster
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Registered: Oct 2000
Location: Earth
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Please excuse this next comment , but it may seem as flameing..
What the **** is wrong with you? Are you that iggnorent? Why not put "Not Part of Ross 128 on my site"! GIVE ME A BREAK . Lets look at it
Ross 128 vs Fred Zone = No Match
Freespace Watch vs Fred Zone = No Match
Volition Zone vs Fred Zone = BIG MATCH
Jesus Christ thats probably the stupidiest comment I had ever heard! Anyway , to get off the flameing..
Typically , I'd put "Not part of Fred Zone" - but. Of course we're a network. We have other sites with the name "???? Zone". Fred Zone does not. Fred Zone holds no other sites with "???? Zone".
Well , there you go..
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Alphakiller
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Disaster! CALM DOWN!
He's got a legit point, you're in the wrong here. Cool it.
OK, so what if I make a site called "Llama Newbie Zone," do I have to say "I am not part of FS Zone, FRED Zone, Volition Zone, Pr0n Zone, Die Hard Movie Freak Zone" ... no.
If you're that worried about it, put a note on your own homepage instead of insulting someone who doesn't deserve it.
And one last thing. Just because I say "this may seem like an insult, but you suck llama nuts" ... does NOT excuse you from the insult. Same with you and your "this may seem like flaming." ... it doesn't make it better, d00d.
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Fantomeye
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Registered: Aug 2000
Location: Terrapin Station
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Originally posted by Razzle:
Actually, since he got his site up and running first, VZ should be the one clearly stating that FRED Zone is not part of it's network. Of, course, it would be polite for FRED Zone to post a little note too.
Razzle's actually right here. His site is up before yours, so he technically has first dibs. You should be the one saying no connection. And I think since they're on 2 different servers, there shouldnt be any problem. And Disaster, chill d00d. Either calm down or you and this thread gets 0wned.
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Webmaster of [url="http://techfs.groundfs.com"]Tech Freespace[/url] and [url="http://techfs.groundfs.com/missions"]it's mission walkthroughs[/url]
News poster at [url="http://ross128.telefragged.com"]Ross128[/url]
Mission d00d for [url="http://www.fs2temp-mech.co.uk"]TM[/url] and [url="http://ross128.telefragged.com/sv/index.shtml"]Small Victories[/url]
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Lonestar
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Registered: Nov 2000
Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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See here Disaster,
I mean this, to be harmless as possible.
You made some good points there, but i feel you are being flammatory because of the name of my site.
I understand you are excited about your new site, and are a little annoyed i have "Zone" in my name.
I will tell you this, with that attitude i have decided not to make a statement regarding who i am not associated with.
I can, and will stand up to all Fred related sites. My site is directly associated with Multiplayer missions, and offering help with fred 2 in all areas. I also provide a central place where you can find tools and anything related fred-wise on my site.
Your statement of competition is irrelevant, due to the fact, there is no site like mine.
Sure, Ross128 offers some fred2 stuff, and VW offers single player missions, and a few multiplayer. Even Ross128 is starting there own mission list for Dowloads.
Still, nothing deals in fred2 like i do. I do a mutltitude of things, that no other site offers, so me standing toe to toe with another like mine isnt feasable. Im not a news site, or a campaign site, or a mod site.
If there is i have never seen it, here at VW or any others, and is hiding on Xoom, or geocities somewhere.
Now i ask that this be owned and forgotten, as the intention of this thread has mutated, and is no more.
I will email Orange or Icefire.
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Mad Bomber
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Yeesh. Thats all i have to say. Yeesh.
Nice site tho, i noticed you used my description for Antares
I think what Disaster meant by getting a UBB is getting a part of this forum, like the TechFS or the US forums. Ah well, great site, i hope it grows and becomes supa-l33t
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Lonestar
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Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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Thing is i need more then one forum for what i need to get done. So EZboard is my only option. I asked if i can use Ikonboard, but cannot.
I just optimized the site for 800x600 resolution.
As for a forum here, i can use one, for staff related stuff and maybe announcements.
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Hannibal
Registered: Jul 2000
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Lonestar, first off i want to congrat you on oepning Fred Zone, i think you did a great job on it! maybe in the future i may even want to right something for it i dont know.....
i just want to make one statement in your favor Lonestar, do whatever you want will FZ, if you want pics on the front page do so, actually i think having a screenshot on the main page is a great idea, do not care for 56k users, it doisnt slow them down that much, and if someone has a 14.4 WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOING!
So very good job, i am very impressed
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Mad Bomber
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Please know beforehand that the post which is about to be made by disaster doesn't express the views of any of the other Volition Zone staff.
Although it would be nice to have a little thingy saying that the sites aren't related, so as to prevent confusion.
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Disaster
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Registered: Oct 2000
Location: Earth
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Ok , here comes some "Flameing".
First off , when I say you may take this as flameing I mean , I don't mean it as a flame but to you it may appear like one.
Volition Zone (specefically freespace zone) deals with game modifications. That includes Fred2 etc.. etc.. Much like the apparent Fred Zone
Oh yeah , your attitude is nothing more then touche. The fact that you refuse to agree to an agreement is childish.
His site was up first , I give him that. But did he pay $50 for a domain name? No.
Not only that , the word "Freespace Zone" Has been around for quite some time now. Hasn't it? Long before Fred Zone went up
The fact that you refuse to put up "Not part of the Volition Zone Network" Just plain pisses me off - nothing more. Nothing less.
I will from here on out , ignore any of your comments. Volition Zone shall be different , and better at that. I need not worry about peasents.
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Alphakiller
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Location: Somewhere
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quote:
Originally posted by Disaster:
First off , when I say you may take this as flameing I mean , I don't mean it as a flame but to you it may appear like one.
Didn't I already mention how this doesn't help you, and is just a platitude so you don't feel guilty about flaming?
:sigh:
Screw it.
Lonestar, since I want to develop mad FRED2 skills ... ok, actually just to do one complicated event and sexp string, remind me to drop by your site sometime
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Lonestar
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[url="http://www.members.home.net/espyder/SC1.jpg"]http://www.members.home.net/espyder/SC1.jpg[/url]
Theres a complicated one. Its so complicated i cldnt fit it into one screeenshot.
There isnt a SEXP i cant use.
Ive experimented with all.
My skills in Fred 2 have been honed for almost a year now, and ive constantly made missions.
Ive had a few validated for SW, most noteable is MT11 Aeolus duel 2.
I designed that mission. Simple, but effective, with many praises around the community.
A typical night on PXO, sees me with some of the most well known players from around the world, playing my missions from Fred Zone.
Some have said " You are the Saviour of FS2 "
No joke.
Ive earned my respect, but seems disaster disrespects me and for what?
Because he will offer something i already have?
Is FSZone gonna offer help for Multi to, or just campaigns and single?
Ive got my site up, running and got traffic to boot. I recieve plenty of emails everyday.
Ive also put aside any conflicts ive had with anyone, and have worked with these people instead of against them for the betterment of FS2.
Cant you see, what im doing has not been done, and was definitely needed. If it wasnt needed, i wouldnt be so damned busy now would I.
I asked for flames, yes, but expected cooler heads to prevail. Instead you make a personal attack on me and my site, and its name and DEMAND things like i should bow down to you for some odd reason.
Disaster get one thing straight in your head.
Fred Zone, doesnt say anywhere, Freespace Zone. Nor do i imply being part of you guys.
If you asked nicely i would oblige, and will because you have partners that show respect and are nice in asking.
I owe you nothing. This site was created nearly 3 months ago, with 0 help.
I asked to be hosted, with 0 help.
Now you talk of game modifications, i dont deal in that.
Listen carefully.
I deal in FS2 missions created for multiplayer.
I test, debug and edit missions for the designers if they choose. Give reports and feedback, along with suggested changes.
I put together a package, thats fully tested bug free and error free.
Prepare a readme to eplain anything about the missions history and/or changes, along with other useful info.
All prepared to go to Volition for Validation.
Is freespace zone gonna do all that?
Have they contacted admin about anything of the sort?
Even if V doesnt cooperate with me, i will still be the only one to pay as much attention to missions as i do.
Oh, and i forgot to mention, there are some things going on in the background of all this, that i cannot say, but assure you fs2 multiplayer is about to get better.
Anything else?
Hmmm, oh yeah if you need help disaster with any fred2 questions i will still help you any way i can.
I think im above hating you for your remarks.
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Hannibal
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Why in gods name did you use that message board? Are you crazy? YOU HAVE THE UBB AT YOUR DISPOSAL. IF they don't let you use that , atleast use KAzan's clone! Thats..pathetic!
i didnt ask for the USBB, i went on ICQ and Orange said to me "you have your own board"
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Guardian
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Disaster,
d00d!
What gives you right to say his site's name is wrong.
So what that you have a site with "zone" in it.
So what if youu have a site that deals with missions.
Deal with it man.
I really dont like that attitude.
Who gives a . . . that you paid for a doman.
Who cares whoes site was first.
He has not broken any laws.
He has a site that has grown since April of 2000.
He got it hosted this month.
He does NOT have to say that he is NOT part of any network, because that is just stupid.
Should I say that my site is not part of your network?
If you say yes, then I am sorry, it will not happen.
And this rating of sites against his, you tell me who is being childish . . .
OH!
Check my site and flame it, I dont care what you say . . .
[url="http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/bandits"]http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/bandits[/url]
OK
I am done
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When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you."
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