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... I was wondering

what kind of metal is being used to construct GTVA ship with. I a speeking of fighters, bombers and capital ships.

Is it somekind of Titinium hull or is it something that we have not seen here in Sol yet? Like Neosteel or Plassteel?

The reason for this question is that I have been wondering about solar radiation and background radiation from space itself, having and effect on the people onboard capital ships and the crew in fighters and bombers. How are they shielded? (I know they have shields, but shields are not always active or?)

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... I was wondering

what kind of metal is being used to construct GTVA ship with. I a speeking of fighters, bombers and capital ships.

Is it somekind of Titinium hull or is it something that we have not seen here in Sol yet? Like Neosteel or Plassteel?

The reason for this question is that I have been wondering about solar radiation and background radiation from space itself, having and effect on the people onboard capital ships and the crew in fighters and bombers. How are they shielded? (I know they have shields, but shields are not always active or?)

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Even now ships are in space and I don't see anyone dying of radiation poisoning. Somehow I doubt that they use half a meter of lead on every space shuttle... I guess the ships are made out of some vey light and durable ALLOY and not a new metal. All the metals have so far been calssified in the periodic table and if new ones show up, they'll be radioactive/unstable.

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Even now ships are in space and I don't see anyone dying of radiation poisoning. Somehow I doubt that they use half a meter of lead on every space shuttle... I guess the ships are made out of some vey light and durable ALLOY and not a new metal. All the metals have so far been calssified in the periodic table and if new ones show up, they'll be radioactive/unstable.

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The GTVA`s ship are made from the same metals that are known in our times. There are various kinds of steel used, that`s for sure ( I know that for example for some 20century warships have been used up to 20 different kinds of steel ). Probably, they use mostly Fe with Ti, W, C, Mn and so on. Sure they use also depleted Uranium which is very dense, maybe also Osm and Iridium (they`re much more dense than Pb), maybe also some rare elements, like Tl, Ir and so on.
Some of the elements and isotopes are easier to find in the space, I suppose. For example in a nebula created by an explosion of a massive star there should be much of the metals and heavy elements among the gas. It is also possible that there are some short living elements with the number 110 and above, but probably they won`t be used since they`re unstable and difficult to get.

Well for me it is much more interesting what the shivan vessels are made from. I read they`re partially organic, but which parts could be organic, which not. And those non organic?

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The GTVA`s ship are made from the same metals that are known in our times. There are various kinds of steel used, that`s for sure ( I know that for example for some 20century warships have been used up to 20 different kinds of steel ). Probably, they use mostly Fe with Ti, W, C, Mn and so on. Sure they use also depleted Uranium which is very dense, maybe also Osm and Iridium (they`re much more dense than Pb), maybe also some rare elements, like Tl, Ir and so on.
Some of the elements and isotopes are easier to find in the space, I suppose. For example in a nebula created by an explosion of a massive star there should be much of the metals and heavy elements among the gas. It is also possible that there are some short living elements with the number 110 and above, but probably they won`t be used since they`re unstable and difficult to get.

Well for me it is much more interesting what the shivan vessels are made from. I read they`re partially organic, but which parts could be organic, which not. And those non organic?

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Mo (Molybdenum) is used on the Deimos, and I believe several other capital ships as well...not sure about fighters and bombers but titanium would be a good guess. As for radiation, Alpha emissions can be blocked with paper, Beta emissions with a sheet of steel, and Gamma (least common but most powerful) can go through just about everything short of 3 feet of concrete.

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Actually what we are going to be using in the future are alloys better than steel.

Emagine this.

What if you could make a metal 100 times harder than steel. yet lighter than a fether.
Or transparent metal so when you look at the walls you can see the stars automatically. Now that would be cool.
Or, Use Electromagnatism for a means of transportation instead of Rockets or jets. It is better because you wont be going straight foward, you will be going in any direction..Vertically diagnolly, slide up or slide down, slide left or slide right. With Electrograve techs you can't find anything better.
Why fly just straight foward when you can go just as fast flying diagnolly using gravity as your source of motion.
Not only that but craft you will be flying in will not make any noise because there wont be any moving parts when you are flying.

So how does that sound. Freespace is a little fare behind as fare as the future goes..lol

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Actually what we are going to be using in the future are alloys better than steel.

Emagine this.

What if you could make a metal 100 times harder than steel. yet lighter than a fether.
Or transparent metal so when you look at the walls you can see the stars automatically. Now that would be cool.
Or, Use Electromagnatism for a means of transportation instead of Rockets or jets. It is better because you wont be going straight foward, you will be going in any direction..Vertically diagnolly, slide up or slide down, slide left or slide right. With Electrograve techs you can't find anything better.
Why fly just straight foward when you can go just as fast flying diagnolly using gravity as your source of motion.
Not only that but craft you will be flying in will not make any noise because there wont be any moving parts when you are flying.

So how does that sound. Freespace is a little fare behind as fare as the future goes..lol

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Maybe they are made of space-time continuence, wich is a couple thousand billion (or trillion or whatever) times harder than steel

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Or we can all get UbEr-CoOl implants and be UBER BEINGS!

Freespace2 is set just over 2 and a half centuries in the future, do you really think we'd develop metals that strong and light in that short amount of time? Especially considering that metals get their strength from their density, and we've taken the development of metals just about as far as we can (ie we've pretty much reached the max potential of currently known metals). That only leaves fusion in order to create new elemental metals, this would mean denser metals and therefore more mass so the light as a feather idea goes straight out the window. This would also be rather impractical as fusion takes place at the temperature of the sun's surface and to create the amount of a new metal needed for a single ship makes it extremely expensive. Far more effecient just to strip-mine planets and asteroids. What might be possible by the time set of FS2 would be other forms of armor that dont use metals.

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Or we can all get UbEr-CoOl implants and be UBER BEINGS!

Freespace2 is set just over 2 and a half centuries in the future, do you really think we'd develop metals that strong and light in that short amount of time? Especially considering that metals get their strength from their density, and we've taken the development of metals just about as far as we can (ie we've pretty much reached the max potential of currently known metals). That only leaves fusion in order to create new elemental metals, this would mean denser metals and therefore more mass so the light as a feather idea goes straight out the window. This would also be rather impractical as fusion takes place at the temperature of the sun's surface and to create the amount of a new metal needed for a single ship makes it extremely expensive. Far more effecient just to strip-mine planets and asteroids. What might be possible by the time set of FS2 would be other forms of armor that dont use metals.

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Not too unrealistic. Nasa just invented Aerogel which is some new construction material that sort of looks like hazy glass, can support some rediculous amount of weight, weights almost nothing, and acts as the best insulator ever.

Thats pretty nifty. In 200 years we can only guess at whats possible.

On the space ships we have today. The shuttle is only minimally exposed to Gamma radiation because its still fairly close to the Earth. I forget if its the magnetosphere or whatever you want to call it, but Earth does sheild out Gamma Radiation.

Sending a crew to Mars would be very dangerous. Gamma Radiation is hard to stop....alot of water or really thick concrete may be able to stop it...but thats impractical. So the solution is unknown at the moment.

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Not too unrealistic. Nasa just invented Aerogel which is some new construction material that sort of looks like hazy glass, can support some rediculous amount of weight, weights almost nothing, and acts as the best insulator ever.

Thats pretty nifty. In 200 years we can only guess at whats possible.

On the space ships we have today. The shuttle is only minimally exposed to Gamma radiation because its still fairly close to the Earth. I forget if its the magnetosphere or whatever you want to call it, but Earth does sheild out Gamma Radiation.

Sending a crew to Mars would be very dangerous. Gamma Radiation is hard to stop....alot of water or really thick concrete may be able to stop it...but thats impractical. So the solution is unknown at the moment.

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I see all the interesting points on how to block the radiation, but all those combos you guys mention are heavy and are not easy to move around, not even in zero gravity.

Then the question turns to how to propel (the ship with this heavy alloy combination) forward in space.
And take note that the ships must be manuvable, even the capital ships must make evasive actions in astorids, space docking ports and other places.

I can see that Electromagnatism would be very interesting for use for a propulsion system, but how could it work? Is it based on the same principles as an Ion engine used on satalites or(running on solar energi)?

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I see all the interesting points on how to block the radiation, but all those combos you guys mention are heavy and are not easy to move around, not even in zero gravity.

Then the question turns to how to propel (the ship with this heavy alloy combination) forward in space.
And take note that the ships must be manuvable, even the capital ships must make evasive actions in astorids, space docking ports and other places.

I can see that Electromagnatism would be very interesting for use for a propulsion system, but how could it work? Is it based on the same principles as an Ion engine used on satalites or(running on solar energi)?

(Interesting point on engine systems SlipStream

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Freespace2 is set just over 2 and a half centuries in the future, do you really think we'd develop metals that strong and light in that short amount of time? Especially considering that metals get their strength from their density, and we've taken the development of metals just about as far as we can (ie we've pretty much reached the max potential of currently known metals). That only leaves fusion in order to create new elemental metals, this would mean denser metals and therefore more mass so the light as a feather idea goes straight out the window. This would also be rather impractical as fusion takes place at the temperature of the sun's surface and to create the amount of a new metal needed for a single ship makes it extremely expensive. Far more effecient just to strip-mine planets and asteroids. What might be possible by the time set of FS2 would be other forms of armor that dont use metals.

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Freespace2 is set just over 2 and a half centuries in the future, do you really think we'd develop metals that strong and light in that short amount of time? Especially considering that metals get their strength from their density, and we've taken the development of metals just about as far as we can (ie we've pretty much reached the max potential of currently known metals). That only leaves fusion in order to create new elemental metals, this would mean denser metals and therefore more mass so the light as a feather idea goes straight out the window. This would also be rather impractical as fusion takes place at the temperature of the sun's surface and to create the amount of a new metal needed for a single ship makes it extremely expensive. Far more effecient just to strip-mine planets and asteroids. What might be possible by the time set of FS2 would be other forms of armor that dont use metals.

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Ah, but hydrogen isnt a metal, no mater how far you condense it, it will still be classified as a gas. My question is even if you could condense it so far, whats keeping it together? How do you keep it from expanding again?

Edit: note that i said other forms of armor besides metals might be more practical

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Ah, but hydrogen isnt a metal, no mater how far you condense it, it will still be classified as a gas. My question is even if you could condense it so far, whats keeping it together? How do you keep it from expanding again?

Edit: note that i said other forms of armor besides metals might be more practical

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