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Posted by FlakBait on 03-25-2002 02:43 AM:

Who's who?

If you were to make B5 represntetive of the world today, who would be who? And why?

Are the nations of the former Soviet Union comparable to the Drakh? Can the US be the Centauri? Who'd be the Narn then?

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Posted by Londo Molari on 03-25-2002 03:11 AM:

Some people speculated a while back that although the relative strengths of the B5 powers might not match the countries of today, the styles of the races certainly reflect some countries today

EA = USA
Minbari = Chinese/Russian
Centauri = French/British
Narn = Asian/African counties

my personal opinion says there are hardly any similarities what so ever...

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Posted by FlakBait on 03-25-2002 04:05 AM:

I think the Minbari might fit with Chinese religion, but could you explain the why, please. The why of it is quite important.

I do agree with the Narn though, they've all been screwed sideways by the west for hundreds of years.

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Posted by haderak on 03-25-2002 11:23 AM:

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Originally posted by FlakBait

I do agree with the Narn though, they've all been screwed sideways by the west for hundreds of years.

Narn=african and asian nations

...then they screwed us...then they screwed themselves...
Angola mozambique guinea zimbabue sierra lione, Zaire (congo) Ruwanda, argentina (screwed by spanish, spanish got screwed by them then british screwed argentina and later argentina screwed itself! ) indonesia... etc etc. Few exceptions: Brazil, east Timor (screwed by indonesians, these last screwed by us and themselves in recent years

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South africa is a tad more complicated, it was screwed by many european countries, during the apartheid, whose elements are now part of its hole national population that are on they way to screw themselves if the kiling, crime, violence, corruption and terror doesnt stop.

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Posted by Lady Rose on 03-25-2002 11:34 AM:

Finland = Pak'ma'ra

Doesn't look like them, but sound like them

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Posted by FlakBait on 03-25-2002 03:25 PM:

Ok, the Narn can be any oppressed group who, if they had the firepower would go on a big time revenge trip.

Maybe the American Indian Movement. Actually, if you look at what happened to the Aztecs (not that they were cery nice people by any measure), Cortez comes in, like a god out of one of their prophecies, they treat him as such, and pretty soon, well you know the rest. Sound like the Narn?

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Posted by Starkiller on 03-25-2002 06:57 PM:

If you ask me, this topic is bull****... In my opinion ther can be no comparison...

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Posted by pera on 03-25-2002 08:02 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Lady Rose
Finland = Pak'ma'ra

Doesn't look like them, but sound like them

Hmm... Most Finns definitely smell like Pak'ma'ra:s, and they as lazy and as selfish as them, but you must remember that when the Pak'ma'ra were singing, it was the most beautiful thing Londo and Vir had ever heard, and when the Finns are singing... well, you know

Posted by FlakBait on 03-25-2002 10:05 PM:

Starkiller, maybe for you over in the civilized world there can be no comparisson, but here in the US where we have the Homeland Security Administration, things are looking more and more Orwellian. Which is of course one of the things JMS was trying to point out.
"Oh that kind of dictatorship could never take over our democracy from the inside, and slowly erode our rights. We've got a constitution, we could never fall into tyranny."

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Posted by Starkiller on 03-25-2002 11:46 PM:

I read your signature... Understand what you're trying to say...

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Posted by Triggy on 03-26-2002 01:14 AM:

The EA is very USA in style - it was written by a (team of) Americans so is obviously going to be based on their ideals.

I like the Centauri comparison with Britain! We once had an empire that ruled the world (25% of the land mass of the world was ruled by the British Empire) but the Empire has diminished and we are just coming to terms with that. The comparison however falls slightly flat with the Drakh/Shadow/Vorlon storylines. So far we have picked our allies and been relatively unharmed (so far!).

I would say that the Narn are more equivalent to the African rather than Asian countries. Countries like Zimbabwe and Uganda have been subjugated for a long time before gaining their independence. However the vacuum of power has meant that somebody has tried to fight back too hard and lost a lot of the socioeconomic gains that have been made previously.

I have to say that a third world war could change this picture significantly. The Britain/France:Centauri comparison could become true if Europe took major losses and the USA could emerge relatively unscathed by staying neutral and not concerning themselves too much with the rest of the world's problems. This could then lead to internal problems with too much power available.

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Posted by IceFire on 03-26-2002 02:19 AM:

I thought JMS was Canadian

EA is predominantly American in style tho.

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Posted by FlakBait on 03-26-2002 04:52 AM:

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Posted by Triggy on 03-26-2002 12:26 PM:

Probably the most important factor is that Babylon 5 was written for an American audience by somebody with a good deal of knowledge of the American military system.

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Posted by FlakBait on 03-30-2002 05:41 AM:

More Nightwatch:
http://www.almartinraw.com/column53.html

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Posted by Teral on 04-08-2002 02:44 PM:

EA=USA+Canada
Minbary=Russia+China
Centauri=Britan+France
Narn=Germany+Itally
Drakh=Asian counties
Leage of non-allinged worlds=the rest!

Posted by Londo Molari on 04-08-2002 03:31 PM:

Drakh = asian countries? thats so racist! I be offended!

Posted by MCO Strife on 04-08-2002 05:35 PM:

why do we brits have to have the bad hair? lol
ISA = Britain, U.S.A and a few others
Shadows = me, cos I have the shadow font and a strange fascination with the shadows even have the font

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Posted by Raider on 04-08-2002 05:39 PM:

@Teral

quote:
Narn=Germany+Itally

Can you explain WHY?
Ever been in West Europe? I donÂ´t think so.

Posted by IceFire on 04-08-2002 08:23 PM:

quote:
Drakh = asian countries? thats so racist! I be offended!

Not everything is racist...and the person never gave any justification one way or the other so you don't know which attributes of the Drakh they may be talking about.

How about technological superiority (the Drakh are on par with the Minbari). The Chineese did invent the useage of Gunpower which was later introduced into Europe. The Chineese did fly the first baloons centuries before anyone else. You could strike a comparison there.

But the comparison isn't inherently racist like you made it out to be. The intention could be however. In any case, not all attributes of the Drakh are negative and certainly not all of the attributes of the Asian nations (of which I have only mentioned one) are negative whereinfact many of the Asian nations have positive attributes over anything in the West.

Be open minded in any case. Try and understand their viewpoint first. If more people did that, the world could be a better place I think.

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