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Posted by Apothess on 11-06-2001 07:53 PM:

Omegas beams

Was just wondering why the omega rarely uses its beams in the show. after watching servral episodes, severd dreams, endgame so on the destroyer really dosen't use them it seems to prefer the pulse cannons(whatever) where as the X version used them all the time cos they destroyed 6 whitestars i think? which brings me to my next Q how well would a Omega X fair up to a Sharlin?

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Posted by Starkiller on 11-06-2001 08:03 PM:

Sharlin would win, no doubts

Posted by pera on 11-06-2001 08:04 PM:

Re: Omegas beams

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Originally posted by Apothess
Was just wondering why the omega rarely uses its beams in the show. after watching servral episodes, severd dreams, endgame so on the destroyer really dosen't use them it seems to prefer the pulse cannons(whatever) where as the X version used them all the time cos they destroyed 6 whitestars i think? which brings me to my next Q how well would a Omega X fair up to a Sharlin?

I don't know why the Omega uses its beams so rarely. Could be power output problems or something. In the show it almost always fired only one laser at a time, but in the Call To Arms we saw omegas firing their beams continuosly.

I don't think that Omega X would stand a chance against a Sharlin, it could probably do some moderate damage, but that's it.

Posted by Starkiller on 11-06-2001 08:08 PM:

I don't think it's the power output. The Omega's and the Omega-x's output shouldn't be that different.

Posted by Triggy on 11-06-2001 08:10 PM:

The beams presumably drain a lot of power and even with capacitors cannot be fired continuously. Also presumably the pulse cannon require less energy so they can be fired more frequently.

The Omega-X would probably inflict a moderate amount/a lot of damage but ultimately due to the hull design that it is based on would be destroyed by neutron lasers in short order. I know they have Shadow bio-armour but this is only grown over the top and in my opinion mainly provides extra energy dissipation, not reinforcing the hull.

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Posted by Apothess on 11-06-2001 08:21 PM:

i just thought that since they took down 6 whitestars which is Vorlon and Minbari tech they might have a chance the main fact is i really like the Omega-X its just so so so..... EVIL!!! looking

Posted by mobvekhar on 11-06-2001 08:37 PM:

Maybe the captain's may only use their beams as a last resort or something..

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Posted by Mr. Fury on 11-06-2001 08:46 PM:

So, we are talking Omega-X vs Sharlin here?
Well, in the battle where Whitestars and Omega-X's were fighting, whitestars were destroyed or extremely badly damaged from single hit of O-X's beams. This indicates that those beams are very powerful, and they didn't seem to have any problems in firing full broadside of their advanced beams.

So, I suspect that the beams are at the same level than those on Sharlins. Hull strenght is something what we known even less, but O-X has it's reinforcing bio-armor. If the hull strenght is somewhat equal on both ships, even then O-X has more critical spots, like rotating section.

But, I think O-X can win a Sharlin. It's a tough and violent battle nevertheless.

Edit: About Omega's beam:
Omegas shouldn't have any problems in firing their beams unlike old Novas. But I think that the beams have more limited arc than pulse weapons, that's why they were less used. And Omegas usually use their main pulse guns as interceptors, intercepting first wave of enemy fire and then firing their beams, and while beams recharge they again fire main pulse guns, either intercepting enemy fire or firing directly on enemy ships, trying to overheat enemy interceptors and thus giving better changes for beams getting through.

My five cents.

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Posted by Triggy on 11-06-2001 09:11 PM:

I agree whole-heartedly with your comments on normal Omegas Mr. Fury, with an additional, if somehow the Omega had a target continually in it's beam's firing arcs then it could only sustain the shot for a few seconds at a time - fire in bursts. This may be power based, it may be temperature based in it's cause.

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Posted by Sigma957 on 11-07-2001 01:15 AM:

And there is also a effective range limit with beams in Endgame we see the Agamemnon fire beam & pulses in very short time so when the ship is in range to cause the greatest damage they fire up the particle beams

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Posted by Mr. Fury on 11-07-2001 03:21 PM:

We have seen that Narn G'Quan cruiser can sustain continuous beam fire for very long time. There is no reason to believe that Omega can't. But what we don't know is, if it requires shutting down non-essential systems.

Posted by A2597 on 11-07-2001 05:44 PM:

Sharlin vs. Omega-X?
Omega-X, hands down! C'mon! We already have seen that the omega-X fired the same beam SHADOW CRUISERS do, only it fired them from EVERY weapon point! So really, it comes down to who fired the first shot in a Sharlin vs. Omega-X.

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Posted by Starkiller on 11-07-2001 05:53 PM:

I thought they were weaker versions of the shadow beam.
No way that the Omega-x could generate the power to fire the same beam, let alone more of them.

Posted by Mr. Fury on 11-07-2001 06:09 PM:

No, the beams weren't same type as in Shadow ships.
O-X beams were more like Drakh beams, at least in colour.
Hell, single battlecrab could annihilate entire colony! Now, that's something what only few ships can do single handily.

Posted by Apothess on 11-07-2001 07:28 PM:

The only other ships that i know of that could destroy a colony are the Vorlon and Shadow planet killers, Anyway i think an O-X could take out a sharlin if it jumped in on the Sharlins side (cos this seems to be te ships weekness to me cos i have never seen it fire any weapon from its side) then opened fire plus it would have surprise on its side!

Posted by Mr. Fury on 11-07-2001 07:32 PM:

Hey, vs. battles should be fair! So no surprise attacks on either side.

Also Vorlon dreadnought can destroy entire colonies, it's got firepower of same level than that on battlecrabs.
And I don't mean that battlecrab and dreadnought can destroy entire planet! Only the colony on planet. Usually whole planets are not populated, except homeworlds of course.

Posted by Sigma957 on 11-08-2001 01:20 AM:

You have got two ships with which are nearly equal weapons systems now it comes down to the captains, they are the ones that win the battles and also can the omegaX lock onto a Sharlin or does the minbari stealth inhibit lock on...

Posted by Londo Molari on 11-08-2001 06:19 AM:

I think the Omega was desgned to incorporate beam weapons and beam weapons arent much strain. They probably require more power than pulse weapons.

They use beams appropiately, just not excessively... after all we saw them used in

- Severed Dreams
- the episode where they shot the whitestar in jupiter
- the episode where they intercept the Strieb
- End game

Omega-X vs Sharlin...tough fight, my opinion : SHarlin wins with 1% hull intergrity

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