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http://www.3dactionplanet.com/features/editorials/violentmods/

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Yeah, I read it...

Man, that's just a bunch of crap. It's not video games, computer games, TV shows or movies which make people violent. It's the society. News show only violence, in schools the students tease eachother (meaning hitting, pushing) and then there are maniacs who believe that violence is the only suitable way.

I wrote into a newspaper about this subject. So far the replies are the same, playing a lot violent games result that people start accepting violence and become violent themselves.

But then again this is only my opinion... you should only see games as entertainment. Not to believe that this is real... unfortunately children (under age of 12) just do not see it that way...

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I think I can make a case point here using myself.

I've been playing video games for most of my life. Some of them very tame and some of those incredibly violent. I'm sure most of us have played those games. We've seen destruction on a massive scale...and yet....this Tuesday, when I saw those pictures, I was totally unprepapred.

I was not desensitized....I was totally shocked....if any computer game or movie had an impact at that moment, it was my brain trying to figure out which I was watching and when I could restart the scenario so that all could be normal again.

So, so much for desensitization to violence.

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If a video game triggers something in someone, anything else could have. I've watched horror movies since I was 5, played Wolfenstein 3D when it came out, and several games since then. Things like Postal where you shoot innocents and police. Yet have I ever dont or considered anything like that?

No.

If someone reacts to a game violently, it's because there's something already wrong upstairs.

It's easier to look for scapegoats than real solutions..... blaming videogame manufactureres (including Nintendo!) for the Columbine massacre proved far easier than tackling the conditions which allowed teenagers to carry guns into their school.

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People will blame just about anythink, they will blame things they don't like them selves, u don't hear about patents campaining against er.. eg. wrestling or boxing which is real violence not pretend violence

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Bah! Stupid infidels...

The ZDNet article is an eloquently assembled string of rhetoric created by small-minded individuals attacking what they don't understand. You'd think parents would be smart enough to not act so irrationally, and accept the blame for something that is invariably their fault...oh, well, I can dream, can't I?

pff if they think games makes us violent I think it is them who need to be educated. there are so many contradictions and cinism that most people forget worst cases of violence because it is deep within the culture. For instance Football ( I can aready hear: Football??? what the heck) but if you think hard you will realize that football causes more conflict and and violence and even deaths than PC games ever will. But will they ban football??
No.
It makes too much money, it calls too much of our tribal instints to consider or even realize football is more violent potential , much less ban it.
dont get me wrong, I loove football especialy when we kick english and german 's

games and effects

Supposed effect #1 : aggression :
I don't believe that playing video games makes aggressive. How should they ? You dont get aggressive when you have the opportunity to save the world in a PC game . No , I really think that toasting enemy fighters with particle guns and shooting freaks with double berettas makes you calm and decreases your anger and aggression.
There may be just coincidences that after events that made children aggressive they retreat into their room to play PC and it takes them a while to calm down.
However , computer games only made me aggressive ONE time. In LAST NINJA 2 on the C-64 there was a scene were you had to cross a street via jumping over several boxes ... very frustrating !!
This effect is not existant in my opinion.

Supposed effect #2 : violence :
Human brains are constructed to adapt and to get used to situations. Before the times of PC games children punched each other on the noses. They knew what they did and their reactions were a little violent , but still moderate. Punching someone on the nose causes a pain you can evaluate on your own.
But nowadays children play ULTRAVIOLENT PC games. Think of Mortal Kombat or Max Payne. I have no doubt that continuous gameplaying makes young children think that simply punching a nose is no longer enough as retaliation for something, Simply punching a nose is harmless compared to what they see on the screens every day and now that they suffered somehow and want revenge THIS revenge has to be something MORE intensive.
Only something more intensive ( hitting with baseball club , kicking opponents already lying on the ground ) seems to be an adequate response. I was surprised to realise how fast you are affected by this effect : Observing a crime scene on TV my grandma was horrified , she couldnt believe how cruel the thing was she just saw on TV while I thought it has been something common. I wasnt even excited ( I see violence every day - real one or artificial one , no matter if on TV or in a PC game )
So , I fear it is right those computergames increase the amount of violence children think is appropriate as a response to a linguistic or physical offense.
This effect is real , and everyone is affected by it . The young , the old , the idiots and the intelligent. It is a hardcoded reaction of the human brain.

- Supposed effect #3 : experiments
This effect applies to VERY young children. In Finnland ( or where was it a while ago ) some young children killed another child coz they wanted to try out attack moves they saw in POWER RANGERS . The series was cancelled at once.
Well , this has nothing to do with aggression and violence , this was a tragedy , but it HAPPENED and it could HAPPEN again.
Very young children shouldn't have ANY access to violent shows or games to prevent anything similar. However , children above a certain age are immune to this effect.

- Quantity vs quality.
Here in germany extreme violent scenes are cut off TV programs and computer games. In my opinion these regulations are nonsense. It is the quantity that leads to effect # 2 . Quality may play a role as well , but the scenes that are ALLOWED to be shown are already violent enough to support effect #2 together with the quantity we face.


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The biggest problem isnt the intensity of violent scenes , its the quantity. All humans are affected by it. There is too much violence on TVs.
Young children shouldnt have access to violent shows.
Cruel computer games dont make children aggressive , but indirectly increase brutality and decrease the will to forgive or to use less painful methods for ... whatever .
Computer games occasionally used as scapegoats. They aren't the only reason for the situation in the world but they ARE a reason.

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I will give a dumb response and say I agree. Uhh..... yes.

Games can be an output of agression, though. I mean one time I was really pissed off, and I sat in front of the computer and played Quake 3 for half an hour. After that, I was just fine. It may be just me, but all that games are is entertainment and (not to insult anybody here) you have to be pretty thick-headed to go beat people up because of something you saw on a TV show. I do wish they would cancel power rangers, though . My little brother (age 7) has sat in my dad's lap and watched him play quake 3, but the only violent things he does is with his best friend. A first grader that thinks he is some kind of macho man. His friend hasn't played any game more violent than earthseige, yet he is more violent. The point is that his friend's dad encourages violence. Moral of the story, it isn't the entertainment that makes the kids violent, it is the conditions they live in.

Just my 2 cents.

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I have found that after taking my frustrations out in a computer game I'm more relaxed afterwards.I've played games where you blow up buildings and kill people but when I saw the terrorist attack I most certainly knew that was real and was truley shocked and sadden by the event where as in the game I know that its not real...

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i done a report on this at college and i have to say the amount of people i found who agree that games are related to violence was very distrubing indeed. if some of them had there way games would just be made by nintendo :P

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Originally posted by hezie99
i done a report on this at college and i have to say the amount of people i found who agree that games are related to violence was very distrubing indeed. if some of them had there way games would just be made by nintendo :P

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I saw more horror, devastation, death, destruction, pain, anguish, and shock last Tuesday then I have ever seen in my LIFE.

Yet I've played the following list of games for *quite* extended periods of time:

Quake
Quake2
Quake3
UT
Tribes
Tribes2
Diablo
Diablo2
CounterStrike
DayOfDefeat
HalfLife
Freespace
Freespace2
AlienvsPredator
Mechwarrior(1, 2, 3, 4)
Warcraft
Warcraft 2
Starcraft
Starcraft:BroodWar
Sacrifice

And TONS more I havent even mentioned! Based on the info these moronic "reports" that come out every once in awhile give, I should be a psycho-pathic serial killer who doesnt care about life whatsoever.

But Im a normal dude, hoping that *im* not the one who gets shot when the kid next door grabs his gun and decides to take out his anger from his family (or whatever the situation may be)

One last thing: I just started 10th grade, I know it hurts a lot more to be called "gay" or "fag" or "fatass" (yes, im a bit overweight but what the hell, does that make me less of a person?) than it does to take a baseball bat to the legs (yes, I've felt this too)

Theres some real screwed up people out there.

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ASIB i used to be quite overweight and pushed around like that - now only a fool dares to mess with me.. i now have a 4% BFI (body fat index) am one dangerious mother f**ker in combat (and strangly only have to use my abilities in sparing.. now that i can fight nobody starts a fight)

some people still harass me for not thinking like them.. they cannot understand those of us with more complex minds

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hell im a psycho on loose and games do nothing bad , just help me when i feel like splitting some heads

(just ask any of the finns on the board any theyll back this opinion up )

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What annoys me is that I was speaking to my physics teacher the other day, and he instantly connected playing on computer games (or being otherwise involved with the computer) with having no social life or social skills.
Now, I'm not exactly what you'd call a normal person- I'm small, often discribed as dark, disturbing and freaky (by people who don't know me), I listen to heavy metal and play on computer games. On the other hand, I have many friends the world over, I go out with my friends as often as I can, and I often make new friends as well. Also, sometimes I go down to my local LAN Arena with three other mates (clan sPaZm ) and that's generally a social thing as well- I've met some really cool people there, on friday nights and the all nighters they run, and we've had a hella good time. Like running around in counterstrike only using our knives

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