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On the subject of B5, not directly mod related (sorta a mind tinkerer)

It was mentioned in an earlier post about First Ones being more "Racially Mature."
However several times it has been demonstrated that given their near immortality, they are far from it, possibly less so than the humans.

This is from The Lurkers Guide under "Voices of Authority"

- "The First Ones at Sigma 957 were annoyed at the mention of the Vorlons, suggesting that the two races had a disagreement at some point in the past. Perhaps the Vorlons prevented, intentionally or otherwise, the final defeat of the Shadows in the previous war. It could also have something to do with the Vorlons' manipulation of younger races ("The Fall of Night.") Perhaps the Vorlons didn't depart with the other First Ones because they weren't allowed to do so. "

and quotes from http://www.cs.tut.fi/~albert/Quotes/NoRobots/B5/049.html

"I think you just hit a nerve. Vorlons must owe them money or something."
"This also tells they understand our language. They are just not willing to speak to us using that."
"Who knew they were French?"
-- Marcus and Ivanova in Babylon 5:"Voices of Authority"

"This is the White Star to departing ship. I just want to say I appreciate your response, and I fully understand. The Vorlons said that you wouldn't be up for a fight like this. In fact they said in the last war, they carried you, did most of the work, while you took most of the credit for it. They said that if you got involved in this one, you'd just get hurt. Come to think of it, we've got the Vorlons. We don't need much more help, do we? I mean, the Vorlons are really pretty close to perfect."
-- Ivanova in Babylon 5:"Voices of Authority"

And a bit of smugness from this episode

"Nobody wants to fight a war unless they know there is at least a chance of winning. You can give them that hope. As one of the older races your technology has to be at last as good as the Shadows'. If you can convince your government to send out an expedition to engage one or two of their ships.."
"No."
"I know you can't take the entire Shadow fleet by yourselves. But if you could beat them in just one fight, it could be the break we need to get everyone organized. Then we would have a real chance. You could do it, couldn't you?
"Perhaps. But there are still few of us. It is not our time. It is yours. We are not prepared yet."
"Don't turn your back on me. Don't you ever try to walk away from me! Just who the hell do you think you are? Wait, I know what you think you are, what you want us to believe. But I don't buy it. For three years now you've been pulling everyones strings, getting us to do all the work, and you haven't done a damn thing but stand there and look cryptic. It's about time you started pulling your own weight around here."
-- Sheridan and Kosh in Babylon 5:"Interludes and Examinations"
"I hear you've got a saying: 'Understanding is a three-edged sword.' Well, we've got a saying too: 'Put your money where your mouth is.'"
"Impudent."
"Yeah? Well, maybe that's the only way to get through to you. You said you wanted to teach me to fight legends. Well, you are a legend too, and I am not going away until you agree."
"Incorrect. Leave now."
"No."
"Disobedient."
"Up yours!"
-- Sheridan and Kosh in Babylon 5:"Interludes and Examinations"
"So, the real Kosh shows his colors at last, huh? You angry now? Angry enough to kill me, because that's the only way I'm leaving, unless your people get off their encounter-suited butts and do something. I've got nothing to lose. My own government wants to kill me, and if we lose this war I'm just as dead. Our only chance is to get the other races on board for this fight and right now you are the key to doing that."
"It is not yet time."
"And who decides that time? You? You put me in this position, you asked me to fight this damn war. Well, it's about time you let me fight it my way."
-- Sheridan and Kosh in Babylon 5:"Interludes and Examinations"
"I will do as you ask. .. But there is a price to pay. I will not be there to help you when you go to Z'ha'dum."
"You already said if I go to Z'ha'dum, I'll die."
"Yes. Now."
"Right. If that's the tradeoff, if you want to withhold your help when the time comes, that's fine. I'll go there alone."
"You do not understand. But you will."
-- Kosh and Sheridan in Babylon 5:"Interludes and Examinations"



Your thoughts?

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They say there is no future for those without a past...SoulDust

HA! sheridan says up yours hahahahahaha

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Boot to the Kool

"When the long night comes, return to the end of the beginning."
Day of the Dead
mmMm I love that line. I have Interludes and examionations on VHS...perhaps I should rip the "Up yours!" line from it, hehe.

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They say there is no future for those without a past...SoulDust

Zog! I love that line

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I'm the hunter of peace who chases the mayfly known as love...

...or something like that.

WAIT! Can you put something up a vorlon? I mean where would you put it?????

Maybe we should ask Lyta ...she sure did have a lot of lights going in/out of all KINDS of holes.

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They say there is no future for those without a past...SoulDust