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Shivans

I posted this is Blackwater Ops, and noone replied, so I wanna know what some of you space crack addicts think of my theorie of the Shivans. Here:

If you think about it... The tech room says that shivans appear to have been built.
Maybe the Ancients built them. Ever think that?
And when the Shivan creatures were made there was a glitch in their programming and they became too strong, and they killed off the ancients before they had a chance to stop them, with the subspace knowledge they had.
The shivans just kept getting more and more powerful while mass-producing, and taking over system by system killing everything they found, including stars and planets.

As for the subspace senses, maybe they were programmed to be guardians, to protect the Ancients from enemy attack and they sensed the subspace signatures of their enemies.

This kept going until they found the T-V war going on, and were undergunned. Though the fact that they were a scouting party suggests that they have some form of intelligence (unlike plasma... )

They found us, saw that we were not as advanced, underestimated us, entered our systems, got killed off, and we thought that was the last of them... But the Sathani, later on proved that we severely underestimated them, they arrived with a vengence, attacked and Bosch stuck his head in...

Possibly, but the Shivans are vastly different to the Anchients as far as we know, and wouldn't the Anchients want to create something as much like them as possible?

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As much as a good point as that is, I don't know what the Ancients would do, After all, they are extinct...

Well well well...that makes a lot of sense, Snipes! Did you hear that idea from a friend, or did you think it up yourself?

One thing though, if they were built, they're going to be somewhat tecnho, like Star Trek's Borg. If that was true, then wouldn't the EMP missiles knock them unconscious?

Hey! Just because I like to not make sense alot doesn't mean I'm dumb, Boct****!

For your information, only one of my friends has this game (cause I let him borrow it) and he only plays online, so he has no idea what the hell the story is with these things.

Smart@ss!
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Now, If ther were "techno" like "Star trek"-y things (I hate comparing fs to star trek...) An EMP missile would have an effect, as it does.

As you surely know, firing an EMP missile on a Shivan fighter does screw it up a 'bit...

But since it only lasts 20 seconds on the fighter, maybe it's shorter for the shivan, seeing as it is part organic...

...So there!

Hey, I wasn't calling you stupid! I wasn't even attempting to imply that! I really think it makes sense, and I was just wondering where you heard it or if you'd thought of it. Sorry if you got the wrong impression. And that explanation about the EMPs makes a lot of sense.

[This message has been edited by boct1584 (edited 01-02-2001).]

Um.. well, leave it to me to take insult and make an ass out of myself...

But still, I want more oppinions...!!!!!!


Dammit people!

REPLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111

[This message has been edited by Snipes (edited 01-02-2001).]

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Um.. well, leave it to me to take insult and make an ass out of myself...

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Or they are just some crazy bugs, who fell into a toaster, where they've been bitten by a radioactive spider and became intelligent...

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Originally posted by Snipes:
I posted this is Blackwater Ops, and noone replied, so I wanna know what some of you space crack addicts think of my theorie of the Shivans. Here:

If you think about it... The tech room says that shivans appear to have been built.
Maybe the Ancients built them. Ever think that?

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As good a point as it is, jennings, The ancients did know how to stop them, that's how we found out. And what if it was a rogue group of Ancients? Like the NTF, or the HoL was to us? They build a top secret weapon of mass destruction, it gets too powerful, kills everything.


Sound realistic? Like an Ancient ETAK?

The Shivans were definately not created by the ancients...the evidences are all cutscenes of FreeSpace 1. "The destroyers came for us...", etc.

...who knows, maybe they are kind of Borg (don't tell you don't know Star Trek)...

Or they haven't been built by an unknown race, but improved themselves with bio implantat stuff, etc. This would be kind of Deus Ex....

Or they are just some crazy bugs, who fell into a toaster, where they've been bitten by a radioactive spider and became intelligent...

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The flaw there is that the ancients had no where near the level of technology that the Shivans had.

Their "destroyers" were invunrible due to shielding technologies, a technology that a rogue group would not be able to develop if an empire could not.

I'm going on from what a writer at the big V told me when he said that "the ancient's technology is only a decade more advanced that the GTA's or VPE's, without Shivan intervention..."

Also, if the Shivans were created by the ancients, their language would have semblance to the ancient's script even after 8,000 years. (if programmed, the script is still the same, even if they wish to be different than their creators)

Since ETAK is clearly not based on the language of the ancients, the chances of Shivans being ancient constructs is much slimmer.

Now I'm sure that someone bright enough could debate me and prove holes in what's above, but I'm just giving some little common sense here

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Good point.

I have nothing left...


Wow.

Actually Snipes, the Anicents didn't find out how to destroy the Shivans until it was too late. Watch the Ancients 5 cutscene from FS1.

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I'm going on from what a writer at the big V told me when he said that "the ancient's technology is only a decade more advanced that the GTA's or VPE's, without Shivan intervention..."

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Originally posted by boct1584:
Actually Snipes, the Anicents didn't find out how to destroy the Shivans until it was too late. Watch the Ancients 5 cutscene from FS1.

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That is true, the ancients did have more advanced sub-space technologies, and they did conquer many other races but since they did not encounter any with shielding technologies they did not have weaponry designed against them.

Shivans do not use Knossos devices since their standard sub-space drives can move through unstable nodes. (the act of activating the Knossos attracted the Shivans, as well as the activity within Gamma Draconis at the time, if Gamma Draconis had planets and was a colonized system a Shivan incursion would have been earlier)

The ancients created Knossos devices to of course stablize nodes, more than likely to open new fronts in engagements with other races. (i.e. if they attacked and slaughtered an outpost, and found a back door unstable node from their space, they activate a Knossos)

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Wouldn't it be cool if there was a FS3, and we could make contact with the Ancients? Say a seeder colony was created at the begining of the Ancient's demise? Like in Dynamo's campaign idea? And the Ancients are somehow hostile towards us, but we still manage to allie with them when they see our power against the shivans?

Hell, we could do this now, or atleast when Bobbaouauouoaouaoua finishes his Ancients mod thingy...