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The remnants of the Terran/Vasudan/Shivan Fleet

Current terran fleet

Currently, we have 7 destroyers; 4 Hecate (the Aquitaine, the Independence, the Justice, and the Saratoga), and 3 Orions (the Carthage, the Mesana, and the Aenas). 12 corvettes; 12 Deimos (the Actium, the Parapet, the Warspite, the York, the Diomedes, the Naxos, the Bretagne, the Monitor, the Outrider, the Inmobilizer, the Lemnos, and the Yakiba). 12 cruisers; 5 fenris (the Coriolanus, the Striker, the Bison, the Impunity and the Fortune), 3 Leviathan (the Heisenberg, the Rampart, and the Champion), and 4 Aeolus (the Warwick, the Stalwart, the Ravenger, and the Agrippa). and dozens of medical vessels, transports, and freighters. Total: 31 warships.

Current vasudan fleet

Currently, they have 5 destroyers; 3 Hatshepsut (the Zednanreh, the Toeris, and the Memphis), and 2 Thyphon (the Imhotep and the Hedetet). 10 corvettes; 10 Sobeks (the Pstotle, the Thebes, the Renenet, the Thutmose, the Sopedu, the Maahes, the Hyksos, the Khenmu, the Dahshor, and the Khepri). 7 cruisers; 5 mentus (the Heket, the Unut, the Wosyet, the Mirage, and the Somtus) and 2 atens (the Wosyet, and the Mirage). Total: 22 warships.

GTVA Total: 53 warships; 12 destroyers, 22 corvettes, 21 cruisers.

knew shivan fleet

We know that they have, 50 ~ 80 super-destroyers (Sathanas). 2 destroyers; a Demon (the Cthulh) and a Ravana (the Nebiros). Total: 52 ~ 82 warships.

The remnants of the Terran/Vasudan/Shivan Fleet

Current terran fleet

Currently, we have 7 destroyers; 4 Hecate (the Aquitaine, the Independence, the Justice, and the Saratoga), and 3 Orions (the Carthage, the Mesana, and the Aenas). 12 corvettes; 12 Deimos (the Actium, the Parapet, the Warspite, the York, the Diomedes, the Naxos, the Bretagne, the Monitor, the Outrider, the Inmobilizer, the Lemnos, and the Yakiba). 12 cruisers; 5 fenris (the Coriolanus, the Striker, the Bison, the Impunity and the Fortune), 3 Leviathan (the Heisenberg, the Rampart, and the Champion), and 4 Aeolus (the Warwick, the Stalwart, the Ravenger, and the Agrippa). and dozens of medical vessels, transports, and freighters. Total: 31 warships.

Current vasudan fleet

Currently, they have 5 destroyers; 3 Hatshepsut (the Zednanreh, the Toeris, and the Memphis), and 2 Thyphon (the Imhotep and the Hedetet). 10 corvettes; 10 Sobeks (the Pstotle, the Thebes, the Renenet, the Thutmose, the Sopedu, the Maahes, the Hyksos, the Khenmu, the Dahshor, and the Khepri). 7 cruisers; 5 mentus (the Heket, the Unut, the Wosyet, the Mirage, and the Somtus) and 2 atens (the Wosyet, and the Mirage). Total: 22 warships.

GTVA Total: 53 warships; 12 destroyers, 22 corvettes, 21 cruisers.

knew shivan fleet

We know that they have, 50 ~ 80 super-destroyers (Sathanas). 2 destroyers; a Demon (the Cthulh) and a Ravana (the Nebiros). Total: 52 ~ 82 warships.

I think you have too much time on your hands...what about thinking of a good storyline for your campaign?

BTW...the Shivan fleet is probably muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch bigger...

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I think you have too much time on your hands...what about thinking of a good storyline for your campaign?

BTW...the Shivan fleet is probably muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch bigger...

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Thats wishful thinking, too bad that makes no sense at all. The GTVA has a grand total of around 13 fleets, each fleet should have about 50-60 warships at full strength, now, there is more than that, even if it was the end of the 2nd Great War.

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Umm...60 ships per fleet is pretty silly.

I figure each fleet is centered around a single destroyer flagship. Then maybe another destroyer or two is part of that fleet, followed by maybe 6-12 corvettes, and then an assortment of cruisers, perhaps 10-15. So maybe 20-25 ships per-fleet. Thats not counting support craft such as transports and frieghters.

Anyone know of a good reference site for fleets of naval ships. A US Navy comparison would be good.

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Umm...60 ships per fleet is pretty silly.

I figure each fleet is centered around a single destroyer flagship. Then maybe another destroyer or two is part of that fleet, followed by maybe 6-12 corvettes, and then an assortment of cruisers, perhaps 10-15. So maybe 20-25 ships per-fleet. Thats not counting support craft such as transports and frieghters.

Anyone know of a good reference site for fleets of naval ships. A US Navy comparison would be good.

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I agree with you there Icefire. If the GTVA had 60 ships in each fleet they wouldn`t have needed the colossus to crush the NTF. They could have done it at anytime.

Also remember that in the early stages of the nebula exploration the victories against the NTF allow the GTVA to send in two corvettes into the nebula.

The Nebula was one of the biggest threats to the GTVA at the time and all command could spare was 2 corvettes? The GTVA would have to be very stretched if that's all they could spare.

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I agree with you there Icefire. If the GTVA had 60 ships in each fleet they wouldn`t have needed the colossus to crush the NTF. They could have done it at anytime.

Also remember that in the early stages of the nebula exploration the victories against the NTF allow the GTVA to send in two corvettes into the nebula.

The Nebula was one of the biggest threats to the GTVA at the time and all command could spare was 2 corvettes? The GTVA would have to be very stretched if that's all they could spare.

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The NTF was a fairly substancial force, though..... they had at least a full fleet, and I think they probably had more than the Repulse - they managed to capture several systems during the counter attack (can't remeber the names), before the Colossus was launched againts them.

Looking from the intro, the Colossus escort group is pretty big - I'd imagine that would be roughly the size of a battlegroup (minus the Colossus), of which there would be maybe 2/3 per fleet? (Depends on the number of GTVA fleets and the number of systems they have to cover).

i think it could be - post FS2 - that each fleet is headed by a Hecate which leads the fleet, covering several systems - regional C & C - with 2/3 Orions responsible for heading up the various battlegroups in each system.

It's kind of impossible to judge the size of the fleets in Fs2, though, because there was never any information on events outside the NTF war - i.e. where fleet resources were needed. Also, the GTVa never realised the strength of the Shivan threat until Capella was doomed - i.e./ debriefings for Slaying Ravan and killing the first Sathanas - so resources could still have been allocated to finishing off the NTF outside Capella / Gamma Draconis.

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The NTF was a fairly substancial force, though..... they had at least a full fleet, and I think they probably had more than the Repulse - they managed to capture several systems during the counter attack (can't remeber the names), before the Colossus was launched againts them.

Looking from the intro, the Colossus escort group is pretty big - I'd imagine that would be roughly the size of a battlegroup (minus the Colossus), of which there would be maybe 2/3 per fleet? (Depends on the number of GTVA fleets and the number of systems they have to cover).

i think it could be - post FS2 - that each fleet is headed by a Hecate which leads the fleet, covering several systems - regional C & C - with 2/3 Orions responsible for heading up the various battlegroups in each system.

It's kind of impossible to judge the size of the fleets in Fs2, though, because there was never any information on events outside the NTF war - i.e. where fleet resources were needed. Also, the GTVa never realised the strength of the Shivan threat until Capella was doomed - i.e./ debriefings for Slaying Ravan and killing the first Sathanas - so resources could still have been allocated to finishing off the NTF outside Capella / Gamma Draconis.

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One of the [V] dudes said that the GTVA had ~100 destroyers.

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First post here, yay.

Anyway, the US Navy maintains 2 oceanic fleets(Atlantic and Pacific) each having their own CINC, while operating 4 theaters.(Central, Europe, Atlantic, and Pacific) All fleets are technically under the authority of the fleet's CinC while overall operating command belongs to the theater command.

The Navy currently consists of 5 numbered fleets the 2nd operating out of Norfolk, the 3rd operating out of Pearl, the 5th operating out of Manama(Bahrain), the 6th operating out of Naples, and the 7th operating out of Yokosuka.

The Pacific Fleet currently consists of 6 carriers(2 conventional, 4 nuclear), 13 cruisers(Ticonderoga class), 14 Guided Missile Destroyers(Arleigh Burkes), 10 standard Destroyers(Spurance class), 15 frigates(Oliver Perry)for a total of 6 carriers, and 52 surface ships.(Roughly 9:1 ration on surface ships/carriers)

Atlantic fleet consists of a similar mix with 64 surface combatants, 6 carriers.

Both fleets have roughly 30 submarines, of which 3/4ths are attack, the rest being ballistic.

Each are then split into battle groups. Carriers operate normally as a CVBG with 1 carrier, and 2-3 CG escorts.(Other escorts added as needed.) Smaller ships operate in their own squadrons of about 4 ships.

For the GTVA, the distinction between "Pac fleet and "Lant fleet" would probably be between the Terran fleets and Vasudan, and accounting for their increased space they'd cover, I'd imagine 6-10 Destroyers per side isn't much of a stretch.

With Terran it's probably something like 6 numbered fleets, with each consisting of 1 forward deployed Destroyer, 2 Destroyers in port(Replacing carriers), 2 Corvettes per destroyer(replacing guided missile cruisers) Cruisers seem between frigates and destroyers in a RL navy, though maybe it'd be safe to conclude that frigate roles are filled by older Fenris/Leviathans, while the Aeolus serves as a DDG replacement. Thus you might have squadrons of 1 Aeolus, and maybe 3 Fenris(if there are that many surviving anyway), or more rarely 1 corvette and a couple of newer cruisers. Total figure would probably be somewhere around 30 ships per fleet with maybe 15 of them deployed at any one time.(one thing to keep in mind is that you can't always have ships on deployment, so for every 1 ship deployed there should at least be 1 in port.)

You could probably fit this figure more or less better to maybe 8-9 fleets to match the "26 battlegroup" figure from the Hornet production run and distribution figures quoted.

Of course, of these the GTVA probably lost at least 2 fleets during the course of the second Great War, and additional ships to the events in things such as Warzone.

A good forward deployment figure would probably be somewhere around 9 destroyers, of which 5 or so are Hecate, 3 Orions, and any class that you added being available in small numbers. 20 Corvettes, 38 advanced cruisers, and 42 or so older model cruisers. About half again as many ships should be available to call upon in times of war(with the other half maybe needing a month, maybe two at max to be finished from their refits/dock work)

As for support craft, there's roughly about 60 or so auxillaries per US Navy fleet. The figure would probably be about 40% freighters, 60% tenders and transports.

First post here, yay.

Anyway, the US Navy maintains 2 oceanic fleets(Atlantic and Pacific) each having their own CINC, while operating 4 theaters.(Central, Europe, Atlantic, and Pacific) All fleets are technically under the authority of the fleet's CinC while overall operating command belongs to the theater command.

The Navy currently consists of 5 numbered fleets the 2nd operating out of Norfolk, the 3rd operating out of Pearl, the 5th operating out of Manama(Bahrain), the 6th operating out of Naples, and the 7th operating out of Yokosuka.

The Pacific Fleet currently consists of 6 carriers(2 conventional, 4 nuclear), 13 cruisers(Ticonderoga class), 14 Guided Missile Destroyers(Arleigh Burkes), 10 standard Destroyers(Spurance class), 15 frigates(Oliver Perry)for a total of 6 carriers, and 52 surface ships.(Roughly 9:1 ration on surface ships/carriers)

Atlantic fleet consists of a similar mix with 64 surface combatants, 6 carriers.

Both fleets have roughly 30 submarines, of which 3/4ths are attack, the rest being ballistic.

Each are then split into battle groups. Carriers operate normally as a CVBG with 1 carrier, and 2-3 CG escorts.(Other escorts added as needed.) Smaller ships operate in their own squadrons of about 4 ships.

For the GTVA, the distinction between "Pac fleet and "Lant fleet" would probably be between the Terran fleets and Vasudan, and accounting for their increased space they'd cover, I'd imagine 6-10 Destroyers per side isn't much of a stretch.

With Terran it's probably something like 6 numbered fleets, with each consisting of 1 forward deployed Destroyer, 2 Destroyers in port(Replacing carriers), 2 Corvettes per destroyer(replacing guided missile cruisers) Cruisers seem between frigates and destroyers in a RL navy, though maybe it'd be safe to conclude that frigate roles are filled by older Fenris/Leviathans, while the Aeolus serves as a DDG replacement. Thus you might have squadrons of 1 Aeolus, and maybe 3 Fenris(if there are that many surviving anyway), or more rarely 1 corvette and a couple of newer cruisers. Total figure would probably be somewhere around 30 ships per fleet with maybe 15 of them deployed at any one time.(one thing to keep in mind is that you can't always have ships on deployment, so for every 1 ship deployed there should at least be 1 in port.)

You could probably fit this figure more or less better to maybe 8-9 fleets to match the "26 battlegroup" figure from the Hornet production run and distribution figures quoted.

Of course, of these the GTVA probably lost at least 2 fleets during the course of the second Great War, and additional ships to the events in things such as Warzone.

A good forward deployment figure would probably be somewhere around 9 destroyers, of which 5 or so are Hecate, 3 Orions, and any class that you added being available in small numbers. 20 Corvettes, 38 advanced cruisers, and 42 or so older model cruisers. About half again as many ships should be available to call upon in times of war(with the other half maybe needing a month, maybe two at max to be finished from their refits/dock work)

As for support craft, there's roughly about 60 or so auxillaries per US Navy fleet. The figure would probably be about 40% freighters, 60% tenders and transports.

As I see it...
Well, talking about the fleet I agree Each GTVA Fleet consists of 1 Hecate Destroyer ( and probably the strongest fleets have also another Orion destr.), about 10 Corvettes ( I suppose between 6 and 12 ) and about 10- 20 ?? Cruisers.
So, about 20-25 ships in every fleet.
Add to that support which must be highly developped ( so numerous Argo, Triton, some Elysium) - you have to provide resupplies for every ship at last.

I think there are more fleets- if there is one fleet in each system, there should be about dozen- I think there are no separate fleets based in lone systems with no population ( as Gamma Draconis was).
Don`t forget each fleet corresponds a Vasudan battle group, probably organized in pretty same way as GTVA Fleets.

So I think there are about 10-15 GTD destroyers now.

Ahd there could be some kind of a Battle Group belonging to no fleet but under high command- Collossus Battle Group ( probably, the elements of that group were also decimated in 2. Great War).

Last thing about the fleets: I resume that it is a bit WWI-WWIIEarly fleet style.
I mean, spacecraft play great role, but not the most important one, though. Still, the power of the fleet relies mostly on Artillery - like in WWI and it should be organized like that. Don`t forget the biggest ships were never so often met. And there were not so many great battles using all fleet`s power.

The role of the spacecraft is like aircraft at the beginning of the WWII. Strong enough to destroy the biggest ships, a threat to almoust all wessels - but haven`t replaced the big guns.



And Shivan fleet. If there were about 80 Sathanas, and the Sathanas are the biggest Shivan ships known- it is clear there should be about 80 SD, and hundreds SCv, SC.
So, their fleet remains almoust untouched.

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As I see it...
Well, talking about the fleet I agree Each GTVA Fleet consists of 1 Hecate Destroyer ( and probably the strongest fleets have also another Orion destr.), about 10 Corvettes ( I suppose between 6 and 12 ) and about 10- 20 ?? Cruisers.
So, about 20-25 ships in every fleet.
Add to that support which must be highly developped ( so numerous Argo, Triton, some Elysium) - you have to provide resupplies for every ship at last.

I think there are more fleets- if there is one fleet in each system, there should be about dozen- I think there are no separate fleets based in lone systems with no population ( as Gamma Draconis was).
Don`t forget each fleet corresponds a Vasudan battle group, probably organized in pretty same way as GTVA Fleets.

So I think there are about 10-15 GTD destroyers now.

Ahd there could be some kind of a Battle Group belonging to no fleet but under high command- Collossus Battle Group ( probably, the elements of that group were also decimated in 2. Great War).

Last thing about the fleets: I resume that it is a bit WWI-WWIIEarly fleet style.
I mean, spacecraft play great role, but not the most important one, though. Still, the power of the fleet relies mostly on Artillery - like in WWI and it should be organized like that. Don`t forget the biggest ships were never so often met. And there were not so many great battles using all fleet`s power.

The role of the spacecraft is like aircraft at the beginning of the WWII. Strong enough to destroy the biggest ships, a threat to almoust all wessels - but haven`t replaced the big guns.



And Shivan fleet. If there were about 80 Sathanas, and the Sathanas are the biggest Shivan ships known- it is clear there should be about 80 SD, and hundreds SCv, SC.
So, their fleet remains almoust untouched.

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It's worth noting that the NTF had no hecates at all. This suggests that hecates are rare. It seems unlikely that one fleet would have lots of hecates while the 6th fleet (and what ever other ships Bosch pursuaded to mutiny) had none. (unless the hecate is less than 18 months old)

Also in FS1 the tech room says that losing an orion is considered a major disaster. That seems less likely if you have a fleet of hundreds. In that case the vasudan and Terran destroyers would always have been scrapping and they would have lost lots of them.

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It's worth noting that the NTF had no hecates at all. This suggests that hecates are rare. It seems unlikely that one fleet would have lots of hecates while the 6th fleet (and what ever other ships Bosch pursuaded to mutiny) had none. (unless the hecate is less than 18 months old)

Also in FS1 the tech room says that losing an orion is considered a major disaster. That seems less likely if you have a fleet of hundreds. In that case the vasudan and Terran destroyers would always have been scrapping and they would have lost lots of them.

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