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Posted by KiLLL on 03-03-2002 04:56 PM:

About sizes of the ships

Don't you think, that the size of the Nova in the demo r.1 is TOOOO BIG ?
IT's even bigger than EA heavy cruiser, but cruisers were built to replace the Novas...

And the armament of the Hyps were not Plazmas, but Pulse turrets .....
Don't you think so ?

Posted by Black Sheep 2000 on 03-03-2002 05:18 PM:

Go watch some B5 battles...the ship sizes are different in any episode...
...and since the Nova is dreadnaught, it should be ok...

And...a cruiser is smaller than a dreaddnaught...

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Posted by FlakBait on 03-03-2002 05:19 PM:

Hyperions (cruisers) are the oldest desighn in Earthforce. They've been there since the Dilgar war. The Nova was a late or post Dilgar war DREADNOUGHT. It is desighned to kill other capital ships, and be able to support planetary landings. It turned out to be woefully underpowered, and little more than target practice for the Minbari.

And the cruisers are significantly smaller, and less powerfull than the Novas. As demonstated in Triggy's (I think, I keep forgetting) EA Civil War mission.

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Posted by Triggy on 03-03-2002 05:54 PM:

Yup, that's all true Flackbait - The Nova Dreadnought (alpha version) was first produced in 2225 whereas the Hyperion Heavy Cruiser (alpha version) was first produced before 2217 (I don't have an exact date). The Hyperion when compared to the other major races was woefully underpowered even after its Midwinter refits it was still barely a match for a Nova Dreadnought.

As for the sizes, the best source for consistant size comparisons is Tim Earl's own set of official size charts that place the Nova at 1502m in length and the Hyperion at 1025m in length. The CGI in the show itself was notoriously inconsistant, especially with the sizes of the White Star, Vorlon Planet Killer and Drakh Mothership.

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Posted by FSF Ashrak on 03-03-2002 06:54 PM:

where are theese size charts

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Posted by KiLLL on 03-03-2002 07:06 PM:

but...

But the Nova in the demo is large as Sharlin, and if the Omega destr. was based on the model of Nova - Omega must be bigger the Nova, right ? So what we have: we have Nova with the size of Sharlin, Omega with the size of 1,5 of Sharlin, but in the B5
, as far as I can remember, Sharlins has aprox. size as Omega.

And what about the armament of the Hyps. ?

Posted by Thorn on 03-03-2002 07:17 PM:

Nova - 1500m
Sharlin - 1600m
You want to see how big they are in FS2, open the ship's pof up in modelview...
Theyre probably fairly accurate...

http://www.b5tech.com/index.htm

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Posted by Black Sheep 2000 on 03-03-2002 07:25 PM:

Re: but...

quote:
Originally posted by KiLLL
But the Nova in the demo is large as Sharlin, and if the Omega destr. was based on the model of Nova - Omega must be bigger the Nova, right ? So what we have: we have Nova with the size of Sharlin, Omega with the size of 1,5 of Sharlin, but in the B5
, as far as I can remember, Sharlins has aprox. size as Omega.

And what about the armament of the Hyps. ?

Omega and Nova have the same size...the difference is this rotating section...some Omegas in the show even use old Nova-hulls...

Edit: Oki....never mind...I am wrong about the things above

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Posted by Triggy on 03-03-2002 07:29 PM:

http://warlock.isnnews.net/resources/sizecharts/

The Omega Destroyer is 1717m long, meaning that the rotating section is only 215m in length and the Sharlin falls right in the middle of the two for length (I know the Sharlin isn't on these charts but a commonly accepted length is 1600m).

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Posted by Black Sheep 2000 on 03-03-2002 07:30 PM:

Gosh, not again these offficial but very wrong charts!!!!

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Posted by Triggy on 03-03-2002 07:34 PM:

These lengths were only very wrong in some cases only because of the CGI teams. Tim Earl who was responsible for the sizes of the various ships decided that these sizes were "official" no matter how much the CGI disagreed with them. Many of the problems stemmed from the fact that such a basis was not established properly until Season 3, when the White Star mysteriously increased in length to accomodate a couple of fighters. This new length was taken as "official" and these are the lengths that were going to be used in the game "Into the Fire" until it was canned.

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Posted by KiLLL on 03-03-2002 07:38 PM:

and now I can anderstand JUST NOTHING !...
Now i'm looking at 3 INet charts, and information different in
each chart !...

Posted by Black Sheep 2000 on 03-03-2002 07:49 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Triggy
These lengths were only very wrong in some cases only because of the CGI teams. Tim Earl who was responsible for the sizes of the various ships decided that these sizes were "official" no matter how much the CGI disagreed with them. Many of the problems stemmed from the fact that such a basis was not established properly until Season 3, when the White Star mysteriously increased in length to accomodate a couple of fighters. This new length was taken as "official" and these are the lengths that were going to be used in the game "Into the Fire" until it was canned.

But since we are trying to give you players a recreation of the show, it doesn't matter what Tim Earl says...I mean no disrespect here....but the CGIs are more important for us, than the official charts are...by the way, as far as I know the ITF team had also different charts...

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Posted by IceFire on 03-03-2002 07:52 PM:

KiLL. The sizes of the ships are largely accurate based on what we've seen from the most consistant sizes in the show (note: even in CGI, the same ship changed sizes).

I suggest you familiarize yourself with b5tech.com and the aformentioned size charts. Neither is 100% accurate, but in total you can piece something together.

A Sharlin is a large warship and our sizing on it is nearly perfect. I forget exact dimensions, but when put in relation to other ships, we have the sizes near perfect. The Omega is 1600 meters long, the Nova is 1400 meters long (nearly the same), the Hyperion is roughly 1100 meters long. EA Warship classes place Dreadnoughts at the top, Destroyers in the middle, and Heavy Cruisers at the bottom of the foodchain.

So, know that our sizes are a educated compromise between the various sources on the internet, comments from JMS, and based on as much CGI as we could get our hands on to compair with. The size of the Nova, Hyperion, Sharlin, and all other vessels so far release is as accurate as we can make them and alot more consistant than the CGI from the show.

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Posted by KiLLL on 03-03-2002 08:09 PM:

to IceFire

Thanks IceFire for your suggestion, I will.
But , in my country, on our INet sites, charts are really differ from
yours.....

Posted by Triggy on 03-03-2002 08:17 PM:

I totally accept your points about the recreation of the "feel" of the show as that is the end goal of the project. B5Tech and the size charts are good places to start for B5 ship information, as are the AoG products. None are 100% accurate to the show but I doubt that that is actually possible

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Posted by IceFire on 03-03-2002 08:36 PM:

quote:
But , in my country, on our INet sites, charts are really differ from yours.....

Which country is that? The TBP team is multinational. I'm from Canada, I think we have one or two from the US. The rest are European. Germany, UK, Finland, Hungary, and more.

I'd be interested to see these charts and their sources.

Posted by Londo Molari on 03-03-2002 08:39 PM:

watch endgame part II, the sharlin is smaller than the omega... the sharlin is taller than everything

the sizes in the mod are VERY correct, dont worry about them...

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Posted by tomcat on 03-03-2002 09:07 PM:

size don't matter :0 Charts where all wrong..
Long time ago In a galaxy far far away(snap out of it dammit)..
there was a movement on the B5mg forums and bab5-on-thenet he correct size for the ships .I was taken in calculation the size of in cockpit shot , external comparation , etc. the resul was stored on Fabio Passaro site i think..Go find them dammit.

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Posted by tomcat on 03-03-2002 09:15 PM:

check the size link
http://www.meshweaver.com/

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