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If the shivans never existed, what would happened?

If the shivans never existed...

Who would have won, the terrans or the vasudans?
When the shivans first appeared, the terrans where advancing or retreating?

"Both sides were exhausted and at the verge of internal collapse"

If the shivans never existed, what would happened?

If the shivans never existed...

Who would have won, the terrans or the vasudans?
When the shivans first appeared, the terrans where advancing or retreating?

"Both sides were exhausted and at the verge of internal collapse"

Stalemate & eventual ceasefire.

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How many total posts have you gotten from this series of threads? I should have done this, I'd be up to a few hundred.

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Terrans would have won, IMHO... though it would have been another 10 years of warfare.
Remember, Terrans were more flexible, were gaining the upper hand in technology (Avenger) and had gained the intiative (though the legendary Operation Thersher backfired).

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Terrans would have won, IMHO... though it would have been another 10 years of warfare.
Remember, Terrans were more flexible, were gaining the upper hand in technology (Avenger) and had gained the intiative (though the legendary Operation Thersher backfired).

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I think the Terries would've won too.

Their ships were stronger and as Jacc mentioned above, they adapted. They researched new weaponry. It wouldn't take too long for us to annihilate the Vasudans. Take or leave 4 years.

Mostly because the Vasudans aren't enough of a threat to kick GTR&D into full operation, like the Shivans did.

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I think the Terries would've won too.

Their ships were stronger and as Jacc mentioned above, they adapted. They researched new weaponry. It wouldn't take too long for us to annihilate the Vasudans. Take or leave 4 years.

Mostly because the Vasudans aren't enough of a threat to kick GTR&D into full operation, like the Shivans did.

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Why is everyone referring to the Terrans as "they"? Do only Vasudans post here?

I think *we* (ha!) would have won as well. Assuming Awakenings is canon, the GTA lost a huge portion of its fleet seven years into the T-V war due to crazy subspace physics:

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On or about April 16, 2128, a huge GTA invasion fleet entered the Antares-Vasuda jump node. The fleet, consisting of fourteen GTC Fenris class cruisers, nine GTD Reliant class destroyers, and three GTD Orion class destroyers, disappeared moments after entering subspace. At the Vasudan end of the node, one ship, the GTC Hornbeck, emerged.

The disappearance of the fleet stuck the GTA in a bind. The loss of the fleet caused our forces to cancel Operation Midway (the invasion of the Vasuda system) and almost caused the Terrans to lose the T-V war.

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Why is everyone referring to the Terrans as "they"? Do only Vasudans post here?

I think *we* (ha!) would have won as well. Assuming Awakenings is canon, the GTA lost a huge portion of its fleet seven years into the T-V war due to crazy subspace physics:

quote:

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On or about April 16, 2128, a huge GTA invasion fleet entered the Antares-Vasuda jump node. The fleet, consisting of fourteen GTC Fenris class cruisers, nine GTD Reliant class destroyers, and three GTD Orion class destroyers, disappeared moments after entering subspace. At the Vasudan end of the node, one ship, the GTC Hornbeck, emerged.

The disappearance of the fleet stuck the GTA in a bind. The loss of the fleet caused our forces to cancel Operation Midway (the invasion of the Vasuda system) and almost caused the Terrans to lose the T-V war.

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Well, who knows the future of the terrans.

humans still can learn of new techonology, can advance, .......

Is like in Star Trek, the Q's, that are far superior than humans, they were interested on them, because they could see that humans could grow and they were growing faster than they expected, and they said that humans are different than others, in sort ways. Maybee that could happend in this story, except the Q's, duhh.

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Well, who knows the future of the terrans.

humans still can learn of new techonology, can advance, .......

Is like in Star Trek, the Q's, that are far superior than humans, they were interested on them, because they could see that humans could grow and they were growing faster than they expected, and they said that humans are different than others, in sort ways. Maybee that could happend in this story, except the Q's, duhh.

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BTW, that idea which regards humans as somway unique is quite an old theory. It has stood on some old novels of Asimov's, as well as in the Foundation-series. Well, humans are adapting, expansive, technological species, but can we expect every other race (if they exist) to be also?

Remember, that Vasudans had scarce resources, ineffective social system and above all bad fighters. Bombers are great, but most starships sucked ***. Except the Typhon. And it was ugly.

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BTW, that idea which regards humans as somway unique is quite an old theory. It has stood on some old novels of Asimov's, as well as in the Foundation-series. Well, humans are adapting, expansive, technological species, but can we expect every other race (if they exist) to be also?

Remember, that Vasudans had scarce resources, ineffective social system and above all bad fighters. Bombers are great, but most starships sucked ***. Except the Typhon. And it was ugly.

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I don't know...

Remember the HOL Hammer?

If they used disposable transports for that kind of duty, The Terrans would've been in deep doggy-doo.

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I don't know...

Remember the HOL Hammer?

If they used disposable transports for that kind of duty, The Terrans would've been in deep doggy-doo.

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Actually, if the Shivans never existed at all, the Ancients would've probably enslaved the Vasudans, and probably wiped our butts out even before we had the chance to get any farther from sharp sticks and stones.

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Actually, if the Shivans never existed at all, the Ancients would've probably enslaved the Vasudans, and probably wiped our butts out even before we had the chance to get any farther from sharp sticks and stones.

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Yup.

Drat.

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