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Posted by Allan on 06-20-2002 03:00 AM:

Ascii :- (

Is there any way at all ban the people using ASCII with rcon? If so please explaine very slowly

Posted by Allan on 06-20-2002 03:01 AM:

BTW......I'm New! Laugh At Me!

Posted by Bobboau on 06-20-2002 05:33 AM:

not realy, so it's a realy good thing people don't go running around telling these idiots how to... do... it.......

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Posted by Brando on 06-20-2002 07:23 AM:

ban by IP address.

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Posted by EaSyKiLL on 06-20-2002 04:53 PM:

Key words there are "with rcon". You can not ban by ip with rcon.

Posted by Allan on 06-20-2002 04:55 PM:

Yea thats my point. How do we get ip wif rcon?

Posted by Alphakiller on 06-20-2002 06:26 PM:

ok. lemme think for a second.
rcon is ban by nick only, right?
So if you, *ahem* [url=http://www.google.com]searched[/url] you could find them yourself to ban by nick by typing in those little things. a pain in the ass, I agree.
As for IP ban by rcon, as far as I know that's not possible.
I haven't fiddled with RF's rcon setup but can you get their IP via rcon? If you can get their IPs and write them down and send them to the server administrator he can add them to the banned IP list, can't he? Imperfect solution since they aren't banned right away...

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Posted by Allan on 06-20-2002 07:56 PM:

U can ban ip's by rcon. u jus cant get the ip's

Posted by EaSyKiLL on 06-20-2002 08:38 PM:

With rcon you can not get the ips.
With rcon if you try to type ascii characters the server crashes.
So ascii + rcon = SOL. The only thing you can do is change to a map and hope the modder doesnt have it, but chances are everyone else won't either. Or get to the server and get the ip from the status window, which for most of us running a server with a good fast connection, the server is located somewhere else. My server is at work, Farslayers was at work, many of the servers you see are hosted at places that are not easily accesible.

Posted by Quirino2000 on 06-21-2002 01:28 PM:

yup like diffrent ****rys

btw welcome allan..

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Posted by Brando on 06-21-2002 03:58 PM:

with most remote server utilities (VNC, i think) you get a screenshot of the server's screen, windows 2k only i think.

what you could do is put a desktop-screenshot-taking-program on the server, have it load on startup, and have it upload to itself or another website so you can see the server or console window when the page/image refreshes.

but im the kind of guy who would rather have the server in-house as to not deal with rcon.

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Posted by ZylonBane on 06-22-2002 09:26 PM:

Re: Ascii :- (

quote:
Originally posted by Allan
Is there any way at all ban the people using ASCII with rcon? If so please explaine very slowly

Hypocrite! Your entire message above is nothing but 100% pure ASCII!

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Posted by Allan on 06-23-2002 01:11 AM:

Re: Re: Ascii :- (

quote:
Originally posted by ZylonBane
Hypocrite! Your entire message above is nothing but 100% pure ASCII!

WTF u talking about? Hypocrite???? Dont u find it amazing that the VWBB Admins told a modder(yes if u look at the modding section he says he makes mods, hes prolly 1 of the cheats that kill our games) how 2 type in these ASCII codes but wont explaine 2 a rcon user how 2 ban him when he comes and ****s up our games? It looks like you ppl are more intrested in killing RF rather than supporting it in anyway and any1 who defends them obviously is thinking in the same manner. Why the hell do u even have a red faction section!

Posted by IceFire on 06-23-2002 03:21 AM:

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WTF u talking about? Hypocrite???? Dont u find it amazing that the VWBB Admins told a modder(yes if u look at the modding section he says he makes mods, hes prolly 1 of the cheats that kill our games) how 2 type in these ASCII codes but wont explaine 2 a rcon user how 2 ban him when he comes and ****s up our games?

OK I have a very serious problem with the term 'modder' being used in a negative context. You want to see mods? These are MODs:

http://www.counter-strike.net/ - Counter Strike
http://www.tactical-ops.to/ - Tactical Operations
http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/babylon/ - The Babylon Project
http://www.planetunreal.com/hosted/mods.shtml - A whole list of MODs

The context you guys have is right....the connotation is totally wrong.

What your refering to is called 'Hacking' and/or 'Cheating'. And even the use of those words and their meanings could be debated.

RCON users apparently cannot ban users using the more interesting ASCII code names. I don't see how that translates into us not telling them how to do it. Logic is a little fuzzy there.

AND....ontop of that....ZylonBane just pointed out (jokingly) that every single word you used to compose your message is in ASCII. Thats because nearly every (an exageration but not a huge one) computer in the world uses ASCII to display text on a screen. The letter 'X' is an ASCII code. The number '8' is an ASCII code. So on and so forth.

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It looks like you ppl are more intrested in killing RF rather than supporting it in anyway and any1 who defends them obviously is thinking in the same manner. Why the hell do u even have a red faction section

We took it apon ourselves to take flak from people like yourself who blatantly assigns blame to the nearest authortative figure in an attempt to strike out at a foe you cannot reach. We supported and continue to support this community. The security issues of the multiplayer game is an issue....but there isn't much we can do about it either. And trying to prevent people from learning ASCII codes is like trying to hide the sun behind a toothpick.

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Posted by Bobboau on 06-23-2002 07:59 AM:

the problem is that V made RF nearly as easy to mod for as FS was (at least simple table changes), but they only gave it half assed table checking, so what started out as simple mods turn into a canser of cheating, as soon as these people got ahold of some mods and figured out how to get them to run iligitimatly in multiplayer they continued to call them mods, becase there idiots.

now how many admins here play this game in multiplayer much, I used to, but I don't think I have more than three times sence the VBB went down, becase I knew the cheating wasn't going to go away, and it was only going to get worse, and I'd never see RF2, and if I did it'd probly be just as bad as the first one was.
I probly would still be playing this a little bit more than I do if the cheating issue wasn't so bad, one cheater will make a server unplayable, and with the average server holding about 8 players that means for each cheater, there are seven legitimate players that have to leave and find another server, without a cheater, wich considering there are only like five servers at the most with more than three players and most of the time once you enter you hear something like "****ing cheat!!!", that just fills you with such a warm fuzzy fealing (much like a heavy dose of radiation would), that you want to drive up to Champaign bang and scratch on the door screeming "give pach or DIE!!!" untill the frendly local cops show up, and you run and get lost in the corn feilds and die with the last thoughts on your mind being, "must get a patch, must kill the cheaters, must get a patch, must kill the cheaters..."...
what was I talking aobut again
oh ya

now the whole problem here is that someone came here and asked how to get the funky charicters in there name that V alowed people to put into there name but didn't alow to be put into any of the ban or kick comands, and someone (and admin none the less) told him how to, and not only that but not he nor any other admin will even admit that perhaps there is the posability that wasn't the wisest idea he ever had.

well that's just one more kick in the teeth that reminds me that V got 0wNt, and big companies are evil,
but luckly my mouth is still warm and numb from the last time

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Posted by ZylonBane on 06-23-2002 02:52 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by IceFire
AND....ontop of that....ZylonBane just pointed out (jokingly) that every single word you used to compose your message is in ASCII. Thats because nearly every (an exageration but not a huge one) computer in the world uses ASCII to display text on a screen.

Quite right. Thank you.

Sad to think that today's generation of computer-using rugrats doesn't even know what ASCII is. Allan, what you're calling "ASCII" is just the non-standard part of the ASCII character set, referred to variously as High ASCII, Extended ASCII, or IBMASCII.

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Posted by Jetbike on 07-15-2002 08:21 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Alphakiller
ok. lemme think for a second.
rcon is ban by nick only, right?
So if you, *ahem* [url=http://www.google.com]searched[/url] you could find them yourself to ban by nick by typing in those little things. a pain in the ass, I agree.
As for IP ban by rcon, as far as I know that's not possible.
I haven't fiddled with RF's rcon setup but can you get their IP via rcon? If you can get their IPs and write them down and send them to the server administrator he can add them to the banned IP list, can't he? Imperfect solution since they aren't banned right away...

You are a complete dumb@ss. That was the most ignorant bunch of crap I've ever heard.

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Posted by IceFire on 07-15-2002 01:36 PM:

quote:
You are a complete dumb@ss. That was the most ignorant bunch of crap I've ever heard.

Since you seem to know more than Alphakiller, why don't you enlighten us as to what was incorrect in his post.

Posted by Brando on 07-15-2002 04:05 PM:

better yet, you find a solution, since you're not open to our offerings.

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Posted by EaSyKiLL on 07-15-2002 04:51 PM:

1. You can not get a player's IP with rcon.
2. You can not type non-standard ASCII characters into the rcon console or the server console.

So that leaves most servers without any means to remove a player with special characters in thier name. The only way to do it is to get on the server console of the server type info to get the players and type ban_ip <ip address>. This will not work 100% of the time either. If you have more than 1 player with the same ip, that will only ban 1. Then you have to kick the others by using ban <playername>. I had this problem just this weekend, luckily the second player did not have special characters in his name. For server admins (such as myself) who have a server that is in another location this can be a big pain in the butt. I have to quit my game (because alt-tab doesnt work), load up my remote connection program,dial in to the server, ban the S.O.B. then log off, restart RF, and try to get my stats back.

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