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Posted by Jabu on 03-11-2001 02:00 AM:

"...even at the height of the Centauri republic, when we were expanding in all directions, we never dared to oppose the Minbari." - Londo, In the Beginning (not direct, had to do it from memory )

The Minbari had pretty much secluded after that Shadow war 1000 years ago. They didn't have relations with anyone, so they wouldn't have needed to challenge anyone.

Posted by KillMeNow on 03-11-2001 02:42 AM:

yeah i know i rmember that but i read it in the b5 tech manual got ot b5tech.com have alook under centauri history

Posted by Mr. Fury on 03-11-2001 10:54 AM:

Forget B5tech, too much of it's information is fiction not facts.

Posted by g2megatron on 03-11-2001 12:12 PM:

I rest my Bloody case

1 Super Quantum Discharge Cannon
8 Heavy Quantum Discharge Cannons
6 Heavy Neutron Cannon
12 Fusion Beam Cannons
Multiple Anti-Fighter pulse cannons
Missiles

read and weap
I refered to the secondary and the main gun
as they clearly fires similar rays beams kitchen sinks at you... and I also said that the main (mean) gun shut down the ship when it fired not the secondarys... but enough of that...

The VICTORY firing its main secondary guns
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Posted by g2megatron on 03-11-2001 01:30 PM:

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Humans, mere apes throwing feasis at cars

"Im not here to argue Im here to be an idiot" Bishop

Posted by haderak on 03-11-2001 02:04 PM:

When I asked you to make a ships list in order of their firepower I ment it with all the races mixed in it not seperate, the lists presented are obvious.
The reason I mentioned anti-fighter defenses on the sharlin is... (this is going to be contorvertial)because I have a working model of the sharlin...I dont know if you guys saw The data 'leak' last friday, but I got the POF model from one of the MOD developers, I dont think he was aware of the impact of his action, anyway I made the table entry and made It work ( I dont think I'm the only one outside of the team to do this) and I think it would be not apropriate to leak it too, so sorry about that guys but I'll keep it to my self (that is if you didnt get it too)
But as I was saying I have it working and tested it in the game with the folwing weapons:
-6 main guns with The AllianceXbean (got that from the UA site)
-4 medium turrets with ULTRA-anti-fighter-bean
-all others are regular AAF's
What I verifyed in game is that if you attack it from the front YOUR DEAD period.
However if you have a big enough fleet of fighters (at least 10) you can possibly slip through its beams and attack it sideways at medium to close range (close to the 'ribs'), it is defenseless here. An escort is vital for the sharlin. With an escort youll get zapped while your trying to eleminate the fighters.It is unstopable destroying other capital ships in my mission one shalin sent 2 ATen and 2 sobeks right to hell in 10 seconds. I could post pics here but I think its up to developers, so Icefire is it OK for me to do this, hmm? and how do I do it?
One last thing the model I got hasn't all the subsytems yet and I sometimes can cross it through I didnt try to change the model density yet.The guns are destryable cool.

Posted by Mr. Fury on 03-11-2001 02:16 PM:

Ahhhh...beans...*Homer style drool*

Posted by Kuba on 03-11-2001 02:19 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Mungrel:
Matthew isn't alone Kuba.
Earth could win if you consider other points other than which ship is more powerfull.
eg : Manufacturing ability, earths allies (very important), tactics and motivation.

Sorry, Earth would kick the minbari back to the bone-age.

EARTH RULES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


How cute...

Humans indeed seem to advance much faster than minbari, that's true, but we're talking about 2261, aint we.

Now, if it really just comes down to Sharlin vs. Warlock, the Sharlin wins because it's more manouvreable, much faster, and got more firepower, and what is more important, higher range (those are facts). Warlock got 2 fusion beams, but Sharlin got more (b5tech says they are 18) and they are more powerful (also a fact). And let's not forget that there are around 50 warlocks as opposed to thousands of sharlins. Hell, facing those facts I can't believe that a sane person can really doubt the supreme power of the Minbari..

I think leadership and training are factors that we shouldnt count here, but if we do, well Minbari warriors aren't afraid of death and are willing to sacrifice themselves honorably, whereas I dont think that there are many Humans like Sandra Hiroshi or the Victory's captain.

Kuba

Posted by haderak on 03-11-2001 02:23 PM:

OOOOOOOps spelling error Beams not beans lol

Posted by haderak on 03-11-2001 02:24 PM:

I never meant the sharlin to fart enemy fighters to death lol

Posted by Jabu on 03-11-2001 02:26 PM:

Okay, another try:

(Shadow Hybrid), Sharlin, Warlock, (Omega-X), [Omega, Primus, G'Quan], Nova, Hyperion, T'Loth, Vorchan, Xill, Olympus, Avioki, Xorr, Sunhawk

The three ships in [] are so debatatble even I can't decide. I didn't include the Tinashi, as it's never been seen firing as far as I know.

And that size chart is total crap. The Excalibur is larger than that, and the Sharlin is TWICE as big as that (stated on the show). I think this is a better comparison, even if it doesn't have the sizes: [url="http://gamma.nic.fi/~mpetays/b5/small_lq.jpg"]http://gamma.nic.fi/~mpetays/b5/small_lq.jpg[/url]

Posted by Mr. Fury on 03-11-2001 02:30 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jabu:
[B[url="http://gamma.nic.fi/~mpetays/b5/small_lq.jpg"]http://gamma.nic.fi/~mpetays/b5/small_lq.jpg[/url] [/B]


Primus looks to be too small and T'Loth looks to be too big.

Hell if I know

Posted by Jabu on 03-11-2001 02:32 PM:

This is the most canon info you're EVER going to get. In the episode Legacies this info is shown on B5's screen about the Sharlin:

Length 300 meters
Weight 200 Mtons
Speed .2C
Maneuv Class B
Jump G Class A
Cargo 2000 Mtons
Crew 600
Command staff 4
Ground troops 150
Weaponry
12 fusion lasers
6 neutron cannons
6 missile - 20 Mtons

The size is wrong, way too small, and thus the weight is probably wrong too. But I'd say this is pretty canon in the ways of armament.

Posted by Jabu on 03-11-2001 02:35 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Fury:
Primus looks to be too small and T'Loth looks to be too big.

Hell if I know

The Primus is about the same size as the G'Quan, and the T'Loth is about that size as well. Okay... the Primus may be slightly larger than that, but not much. The Sharlin and the Omega are probably the best sized of the lot.

Posted by Mr. Fury on 03-11-2001 02:40 PM:

Lenght 300 meters...never. I know very well it's canon but it is still very wrong.

Posted by haderak on 03-11-2001 02:53 PM:

quote:
__________________________________________________
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originaly posted by jabu:
(Shadow Hybrid), Sharlin, Warlock, (Omega-X), [Omega, Primus, G'Quan], Nova, Hyperion, T'Loth, Vorchan, Xill, Olympus, Avioki, Xorr, Sunhawk
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Wow there are some diferences to a list I would put...
Vorlon planet killer,shadow deathcloud,shadow command ship(?),battlecrab
Vorlon dreadnought,Victory class, sharlin,warlock, Omega-X, whitestar, primus,Omega,Bin'tak,xill,nova,sunhawk,G'Quon,T'lo
th,Vorchan,Olympus,xorr,Vorlon fighter,shadow spitfire,Nial,thunderbolt,Starfury,Sky serpent,sentri,Frazi
never thought to put the narn ships in such a good position since only 2 vorchans candestroy an G'Quon easely See that episode were it shows a battle betwen the centauris and narn and G'kar watches ebarassed the battle video and pleas sheridan for help( dont know episode name but was shortly after " COMING OF SHADOWS"

Posted by Mr. Fury on 03-11-2001 03:00 PM:

HIT THE ENTER DAMN IT!

Posted by Jabu on 03-11-2001 03:05 PM:

Please, canon ships only. And I left the First Ones ships out on purpose, but I don't know what made me forget the Whitestar

Remember, a G'Quan did help a lot to kill a Shadow Battlecrab, and thus those forward beams looked pretty damn powerful. I'd still rate the Xill slightly lower, it's only a NAW ship, although a very good one at that.
Do you know how small the Sunhawk is? And they were being blasted apart by a few Vorchans. No way they're better than G'Quans.

Posted by IceFire on 03-11-2001 03:20 PM:

The G'Quan that got toasted by the Vorchans had already taken damage in the battle and was holding a jump point open for escaping transports.

The G'Quans forward beam cannons are indeed quite powerful but I would say that they are about on par with what the Omega has.

Posted by Mr. Fury on 03-11-2001 03:27 PM:

Quite right. Earth and Narn beam technology has come from same source. Not sure if this source is the Centauri or the Dilgars.
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