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No, Victory was not supposed to have bio-armor, instead of it it got reflective armor.

Victory with bio-armor is just fan-fic, nothing more.

And I know, I started topic "Victory and Vorlon bio armor" at the firstones. Conclusion was Victory + bio-armor = fan-fic

yep

well i had to contribute something to the bigger thread ever...i am agreeing with Mr Fury

I never believed in that Vorlon bio-armour stuff on the Victory.

But a Victory could easily take out a Sharlin, even two if they got on it's way. But it's still only one ship

I'd imagine the Minbari still would have superiour ships, but we'd just have more of them
2 or 3 Omegas can take out a Sharlin, just by virtue of being in three places at once.

ok first thing - in endgame the entire grid was to have been capable to leveling the entire planet and when there was only one left and it was powering up then is when it was said it would take out the entire eastern seaboard so the main guns of a warlock are not to be messed with - now this is more a question than an arguement but what do we know about mimbari armour? we know there weapons are good and that they are hard to target but we dont seem to from the show get any idea of how good there armour is so again i want some offical specs on it not jsut guesses that they were on the verge of developing bio armour on there own - i see very little eveidence that the mimbari have been messing with biological weapons. that however cant be said about the earth alliance they been trying for years. and saying that the special effects guys were just lazy well thats just making stuff up we have to base what we say from the show so we have to assume the mimbari have done little ar no development within the last 1000 years - and final point about the ww2 f22 anaolgy yeah i dont beileve thay would be able to create an f22 any time soon however the f22 isn't just an improvement on exsisting tech its a whole series of new techs where as the thunderbolt and nial both have enegines mimbaris is a new tech in that regard but earth has got gravity tech now so it should take to long weapons are just minaturised beams and maybe a slightly better computer so i would say that going back to the ww2 thing in another 50 years certainly the earth alliance will be as advance if not more than the mimbari - the reason why our fighters now stay in service longer is because we're not fighting a war with a enemy whos tech is the sme level as our own so the need to improve all the time isn't there - but the science behind the improvments is being done jsut not implemented due to the costs of replacing the fighters that have only just come into service

KillMeNow (not me) can you press enter more often, please

ok try to remember that in the future

Thanks

I noticed something that REALLY bothers me: g2megatron claimed many replies ago that a Victory-class destroyer has EIGHT(8) Quantum discharge cannons! As far as I know there's only one of them in each ship. Eight might be believable if the Victory had a Vorlon hyperspace tap for energy production instead of a fusion reactor. Annihilation goes also way beyond the capabilities of the Younger races (right?) so that doesn't match either... Quantum discrge cannon takes out all of the ship's enegy for 60 seconds. EIGHT of them in one terran ship... Something I can't agree with.

P.S: It would be REALLY nice to know how to translate that Quantum discharge cannon to Finnish? My level of quantum physics isn't high enough so I don't know the terminology

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Humans...
Yes. They are the key.

-Delenn and Kosh, Babylon 5: In the Beginning
Yes, a foolish key... But who cares?

yup i checked they dont tell if its mimbari armour or not they jsut say what its called and what it does - and yeah no way does it have 8 big guns - it has one - you could say it has 3 but there jsut part of the same thing

Reply to G2 megatron: Ok today they dont send jets to trash so soon but then again could they also aford trash fighters so soon in WWI your missing the point of my F-22 analogy. I was talking about of tecnological barriers not economics... I also agree what kurare just said about those 8 guns on the victory you confused its main guns with the secondary ones.The main gun is the one that causes all the light show and the systems temporary shutdown. And as it was said before we dont know the number of ships in each races fleet.Just the fact they werent enough to stop the minbari.
About the efecteviness of minbari weapons against their armour I almost forgot that episode ( it was so long ago) were there was a renegade minbari ship threatening B5 and then the minbari homeworld was alerted and they sent one other ship that sliced the tragatis tail 'flipper' right clean off.
sorry memory gap I havent seen the show for 3 yers now, I have got just a few episodes on tape...
I have a new idea to shed some light to this debate. I would like you to list human and minbari ships in order of their firepower so we could discuss and find a balance for the MOD OK?
Ah one more thing.. can someone here get screenies of battles showing up the sharlin anti fighter defenses I noticed the lack of guns on its sides could it be more vulneble to fighters than we thought?

Okay... from most powerful to least powerful, just large warships, just canon ships:

Minbari: Sharlin, Tinashi
Humans: (Shadow Hybrid), Warlock, (Omega-X), Omega, Nova, Hyperion, Olympus
Centauri: Primus, Vorchan
Narn: G'Quan, T'Loth
NAW: Vree Xill, Brakiri cruiser, Vree Xorr, Drazi sunhawk

This is all just my opinion, you can switch Nova and Hyprion if you feel like it, and I'm not too sure about the NAW ships...

i'm not sure about the nova being less powerful than the omega - it has a hell of a lot of guns on it

and the shadow hybrid well what happened to it because it was more than a match for any of the younger races ships including the victory class destroyers

and the brakiri cruisers hmmmmm they are supposed to be quite weak

on anotehr point the sharlin used it main beams against fighters i know that cant be done in the game so they will just have to look the same as the main guns - as for being vulerable to fighters hmmmmm well we saw a fighter doa suicide run on a sharlin and it blew straight through so the hull cant be that strong certainly to kinetic weapons such as rail guns

energy weapons on the other hand it has to be reasonably effective agasint

it occured to me that all the sharlins weapons are also in the things nose so aproaching from behind i think a sharlin could be taken down quite easily

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Originally posted by Kuba:
[B]Matthew, you stand alone if you think that Earth would actually win, cuz nobody here said that.

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A Sharlin also has a very formidable array of guns in it's rear. It's the sides it needs to worry about.

And the Avioki (Brakiri cruiser), it's the largest warship in the NAW navies. It's pretty crap for it's size, but I'd still rank it above most other NAW ships.

The Nova is less powerful than the Omega. I still like it, it's my favourite ship in the series. It has a lot of firepower, but not the reactors to fully use them. And it's hull isn't too strong. They DID replace the reactors after the E-M war, so now it's a really good ship. But it still loses to the Omega

And, you can use the same beams against fighters and capships. But that way the beams would target fighters first, and leave the capships alone. So it's not very good

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Originally posted by Mungrel:
earths allies (very important)

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When trade is the issue, you'd be supprised who would join in.
The minbari don't have alot to do with the other races and if earth could convince there allies they could win, then who knows.

Come on. The Centauri were definately Earth's biggest trade partner before the E-M war, and Earth was a very large partner for the Centauri. STILL they refused to help.

I admit that Earth has advanced, so maybe they will convince someone
But those little ships are probably of no use anyway

The only ones with a really formidable navy are Earth, Minbari, Centauri, Narn. If the Non-Aligned Worlds band together, they have a chance, but on their own, no way.

Earth with ALL Non-Aligned Worlds, they have a chance. Otherwise, no.

i dont think i have ever seen a sharlin fire anything from its rear arc - and i cant rmember id what i read was offical or not but it said that when the centauri were at there peak the mimbari wouldn't chalenge them because of there huge navy which wasn't as good but its sheer numbers could overwhelm the mimbari like wise though the centauri wouldn't go up agasint the mimbari due to there superior tech