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Posted by Cepheid on 10-15-2002 04:01 AM:

I find something wrong with a character-driven game where everything takes place in the cockpit. It doesn't work. It's trying to assign RPG qualities to a game with an engine that doesn't support it. It's definitely supposed to be impersonal.

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Posted by Fry Day on 10-15-2002 06:26 PM:

Oh, puh-leese, you don't need to be able to get experience points and reach level 20 with your half-elf ranger for a game to have not nameless characters

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Posted by Fry Day on 10-15-2002 06:26 PM:

Oh, puh-leese, you don't need to be able to get experience points and reach level 20 with your half-elf ranger for a game to have not nameless characters

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Posted by Lady Rose on 10-15-2002 06:36 PM:

quote:
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Oh, puh-leese, you don't need to be able to get experience points and reach level 20 with your half-elf ranger for a game to have not nameless characters

Oh well, it can be put also that way, I think...

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Posted by Lady Rose on 10-15-2002 06:36 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Fry Day
Oh, puh-leese, you don't need to be able to get experience points and reach level 20 with your half-elf ranger for a game to have not nameless characters

Oh well, it can be put also that way, I think...

Posted by ltnarol on 10-15-2002 06:47 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Cepheid
I find something wrong with a character-driven game where everything takes place in the cockpit. It doesn't work. It's trying to assign RPG qualities to a game with an engine that doesn't support it. It's definitely supposed to be impersonal.

Character-driven doesn't mean upping the HP, and lvl every few hours, it means you can do things with dialogue and mission scripting that you can't do with a nameless/faceless alpha1. If you do it right, it can even be, to an extent, interactive. [url="http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/the158th/"]ITN[/url] is doing something similar, although on a slightly different scale.

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Posted by ltnarol on 10-15-2002 06:47 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Cepheid
I find something wrong with a character-driven game where everything takes place in the cockpit. It doesn't work. It's trying to assign RPG qualities to a game with an engine that doesn't support it. It's definitely supposed to be impersonal.

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Posted by BabProj Team on 10-15-2002 10:23 PM:

Yup thats pertty much it. You'll see what I mean in the demo but out basic format is that specific characters will have their name in the message.

ie.

Alpha 1: <Mallory> The question is what happened? Ok lets do this by the numbers for once.

or

Command: <Kepler> In just a few moments, you won't be considered anything at all.

Its not revolutionary by any means...but what it comes down to is preference of the designers. Kellan and I wanted to tell a specific story and we felt characters were important to use. Some of my biggest complaints with campaigns is that there is no story...just a collection of engagements that have no real meanings. So, we've spent all this time considering motives, events, counter motives, etc.

We hope we do well in that regard...

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Posted by IceFire on 10-15-2002 10:23 PM:

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Posted by Thor on 10-16-2002 02:18 AM:

So when do we get to se the demo? I'll readily volunteer to help test it if you need help

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Posted by Thor on 10-16-2002 02:18 AM:

So when do we get to se the demo? I'll readily volunteer to help test it if you need help

Posted by ltnarol on 10-16-2002 04:23 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Thor
So when do we get to se the demo? I'll readily volunteer to help test it if you need help

And I quote: "It'll be done when it is done."

please don't hurt me Ice

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Posted by ltnarol on 10-16-2002 04:23 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Thor
So when do we get to se the demo? I'll readily volunteer to help test it if you need help

And I quote: "It'll be done when it is done."

please don't hurt me Ice

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Posted by BabProj Team on 10-16-2002 12:35 PM:

The demo is about 95% done. We've got a couple of voice files still to come in. BlackSheep is working on that between his military service (which consumes most of his time). On the testing front, its just a matter of me getting the right materials together for the demo to be finished. At the moment, my time is very precious (and with a mid-term on Friday and two major term assignments next Tuesday, I doubt you'll see anything for a few more weeks).

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Posted by IceFire on 10-16-2002 12:35 PM:

Posted by Thor on 10-17-2002 02:53 AM:

cool. See, it wasn't that hard to give us some real, useful information. details are great, even if they aren't specific.

Posted by Thor on 10-17-2002 02:53 AM:

cool. See, it wasn't that hard to give us some real, useful information. details are great, even if they aren't specific.

Posted by BabProj Team on 10-17-2002 03:01 AM:

Well I've told you guys that about 2 times already so its just rehash

Maybe after my big assignments next Tuesday I'll be able to get stuff out to the testers. And if I've heard from BlackSheep over the weekend then all the better.

You'll be treated to a 4 mission demo campaign with a plot that will hopefully bring you in.

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Posted by IceFire on 10-17-2002 03:01 AM:

Posted by BlackDove on 10-17-2002 05:16 AM:

If it's better than the Inferno demo, then I'm sure I'll love it.

Inferno demo.....

No offense to their staff but man...

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