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Posted by R128 BlueFlames on 02-09-2003 02:16 AM:

ns33, the entire FS community has been voting multiple times for FS/FS2, and encouraging others to do the same. In that regard, you're just as guilty as the Descent community, so get off it. Besides, you should have read Rake's entire post. He wants quotes to back accusations of using a script to stuff the ballot, and having read all of those threads myself, I can firmly say that you won't find any.

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...including scripts...


Not a single quote there supports that claim, nor will you find one.

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...multiple votings...


Again, the FreeSpace community is just as guilty.

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...suggestions of voting to outside respective community...


Point? It's called rallying support. There are people beyond Planet Descent and the Descent BB interested in seeing a continuation of Descent, even if it's just to have another shooter on the market.

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Posted by ns33 on 02-09-2003 02:43 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by R128 BlueFlames
In that regard, you're just as guilty as the Descent community, so get off it.


No no no, I did not ACCUSE anyone of rigging or cheating of the Interplay poll. I simply responded to Rakes request that someone from the FS community find quotes from the forums that he gave us that supports the case that the D community rigged or cheated on the poll. So the question is: do those polls reflect the fact that the D community (100%) remainined valid voters, or did the D community (at least 1 person) rigged or cheated on the poll?

No, I did not have the INTENTION of flamming ANYONE, on ANY forum. However now that my name has been mentioned, I feel I should be given the opportunity to defend for myself and my community.

I should note how quickly you retaliated with finger pointing at US, right AFTER I launched those quotes in an attempt to show the FS community that there were "internal matters" going on in the D community regarding the Interplay poll. As for "you should have read Rake's entire post. He wants quotes to back accusations of using a script to stuff the ballot", what difference does that make? To me (and as of now, I do NOT speak for the entire FS community), cheating is cheating is rigging is rigging, whether by script or by multiple voting.

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ccb056
um myself and another perosn voted for descent for an hour straight today between 3pm cst and 4pm cst, we cast about 1500 votes and managed to raise descent's % by 1, so if my math is right, approx 150k votes have been cast with a margin of error at 1500


And you are telling me that you do not find that the LEAST incriminating? You do not deny the fact that this statement was, from my "legal" point of view, a confession that the D community had at least SOMEONE rig the vote with fifteen hundred votes, yet you point fingers directly at the FS community.

I'll tell you what. I see that you have provided quotes of yourself as well, but what do THEY prove? Where did you get it? My sources are clear, anyone can look at it; would you be willing to tell us yours? Speaking on behalf of myself and myself only at this point, it can be established that the D community had a 75% intention of rigging the poll, and from the quotes provided, three people racked up AT LEAST 15 hundred votes.

You tell me. Who is more guilty?

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Posted by ns33 on 02-09-2003 02:43 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by R128 BlueFlames
In that regard, you're just as guilty as the Descent community, so get off it.


No no no, I did not ACCUSE anyone of rigging or cheating of the Interplay poll. I simply responded to Rakes request that someone from the FS community find quotes from the forums that he gave us that supports the case that the D community rigged or cheated on the poll. So the question is: do those polls reflect the fact that the D community (100%) remainined valid voters, or did the D community (at least 1 person) rigged or cheated on the poll?

No, I did not have the INTENTION of flamming ANYONE, on ANY forum. However now that my name has been mentioned, I feel I should be given the opportunity to defend for myself and my community.

I should note how quickly you retaliated with finger pointing at US, right AFTER I launched those quotes in an attempt to show the FS community that there were "internal matters" going on in the D community regarding the Interplay poll. As for "you should have read Rake's entire post. He wants quotes to back accusations of using a script to stuff the ballot", what difference does that make? To me (and as of now, I do NOT speak for the entire FS community), cheating is cheating is rigging is rigging, whether by script or by multiple voting.

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ccb056
um myself and another perosn voted for descent for an hour straight today between 3pm cst and 4pm cst, we cast about 1500 votes and managed to raise descent's % by 1, so if my math is right, approx 150k votes have been cast with a margin of error at 1500


And you are telling me that you do not find that the LEAST incriminating? You do not deny the fact that this statement was, from my "legal" point of view, a confession that the D community had at least SOMEONE rig the vote with fifteen hundred votes, yet you point fingers directly at the FS community.

I'll tell you what. I see that you have provided quotes of yourself as well, but what do THEY prove? Where did you get it? My sources are clear, anyone can look at it; would you be willing to tell us yours? Speaking on behalf of myself and myself only at this point, it can be established that the D community had a 75% intention of rigging the poll, and from the quotes provided, three people racked up AT LEAST 15 hundred votes.

You tell me. Who is more guilty?

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Posted by E201_MiG on 02-09-2003 03:11 AM:

Unhappy

I think if someone needs to do cheating a voting in this form for your game, this person are really wrong and (spanish) es un cabroncete si sentido comun (spanish)..... thats all

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Posted by Bobboau on 02-09-2003 04:46 AM:

the fact that Descent went up 10% in less than one hour is proof enough for me

also there is no declairation of us cheating, we only said we should or we wanted to, someone saying "I may try to make some sort of script", you have people saying things like "I am useing a script", further we never said any thing of any seriusness untill well after the D community had pulled out all stops

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Posted by Bobboau on 02-09-2003 04:46 AM:

the fact that Descent went up 10% in less than one hour is proof enough for me

also there is no declairation of us cheating, we only said we should or we wanted to, someone saying "I may try to make some sort of script", you have people saying things like "I am useing a script", further we never said any thing of any seriusness untill well after the D community had pulled out all stops

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Posted by Knight Templar on 02-09-2003 05:07 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Bobboau
the fact that Descent went up 10% in less than one hour is proof enough for me


Yes, that was odd..

I have an ADSL connection and was voting like mad sunday through tuesday. And each time one of the games was about to lose a percent, it would take one away from FS or D then about 6 votes later, D would go down.. well this didn't not happen at all after Tuesday. I'm not saying I can vote faster than the D community, but with myself and the FS community voting and having no impact on the poll whatsoever, I'm positive some of your people have.

Perhaps they wouldn't come ut right and tell everyone, but that doesn't mean they didn't.

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Posted by Knight Templar on 02-09-2003 05:07 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Bobboau
the fact that Descent went up 10% in less than one hour is proof enough for me


Yes, that was odd..

I have an ADSL connection and was voting like mad sunday through tuesday. And each time one of the games was about to lose a percent, it would take one away from FS or D then about 6 votes later, D would go down.. well this didn't not happen at all after Tuesday. I'm not saying I can vote faster than the D community, but with myself and the FS community voting and having no impact on the poll whatsoever, I'm positive some of your people have.

Perhaps they wouldn't come ut right and tell everyone, but that doesn't mean they didn't.

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Posted by Bobboau on 02-09-2003 05:30 AM:

it only alows one vote per IP

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Posted by ns33 on 02-09-2003 05:47 AM:

Sorry Stealth... t'was a flame.

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Posted by ns33 on 02-09-2003 05:47 AM:

Sorry Stealth... t'was a flame.

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Posted by Jacc on 02-09-2003 06:51 PM:

HAY GUYZ WHATS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD

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Posted by Knight Templar on 02-09-2003 10:06 PM:

quote:
it only alows one vote per IP


No it was working with the technique I said before.

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HAY GUYZ WHATS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD


O_o

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Posted by Knight Templar on 02-09-2003 10:06 PM:

quote:
it only alows one vote per IP


No it was working with the technique I said before.

quote:
HAY GUYZ WHATS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD


O_o

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Posted by whitelight on 02-10-2003 04:23 AM:

Hi all

Well i like both decent 3 and freespace2, but i voted freespace2..

I always did have a thing for space sims, can`t help it but fs2 is the ****.. Long live FS2

Posted by whitelight on 02-10-2003 04:23 AM:

Hi all

Well i like both decent 3 and freespace2, but i voted freespace2..

I always did have a thing for space sims, can`t help it but fs2 is the ****.. Long live FS2

Posted by ~[)ragon~ on 02-10-2003 05:16 AM:

well looks like our community was at least faithful and didnt try to be the best by cheatin so yeh. LONG LIVE FREESPACE 1 & 2 WOOT!! best space sim.

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WTF, those tiny fighters are gonna get eaten


Yeh... Whats up with that i mean how are like a few lil fightas suppost to scracth like our hatsheputs and Hecates, even if they could do that lol i'd like to see them tear apart a collosus and a SATHANAS like really come on, SHOW ME SOME FOOTAGE
meanwhile i will wait here... OH AND LONG LIVE FREESPACE YAAAAAAA

Posted by ~[)ragon~ on 02-10-2003 05:16 AM:

well looks like our community was at least faithful and didnt try to be the best by cheatin so yeh. LONG LIVE FREESPACE 1 & 2 WOOT!! best space sim.

quote:
WTF, those tiny fighters are gonna get eaten


Yeh... Whats up with that i mean how are like a few lil fightas suppost to scracth like our hatsheputs and Hecates, even if they could do that lol i'd like to see them tear apart a collosus and a SATHANAS like really come on, SHOW ME SOME FOOTAGE
meanwhile i will wait here... OH AND LONG LIVE FREESPACE YAAAAAAA

Posted by Bobboau on 02-10-2003 06:46 AM:

well they'd probly punch a small hole in the hull, and, you know, find there way to the reactor...

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Posted by Bobboau on 02-10-2003 06:46 AM:

well they'd probly punch a small hole in the hull, and, you know, find there way to the reactor...

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