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Posted by Slasher on 11-04-2002 05:31 AM:

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Posted by Slasher on 11-04-2002 05:31 AM:

"I know Kung Fu"

Doesn't always work in an...optimal...fashion, Hades. Case in point: "Feint! Parry! Riposte!"

Posted by BananaOfTheNight on 11-04-2002 12:30 PM:

How come they made an antimatter bomb do less damage than an 'ordinary' nuke? If you work it out, one milligram of antimatter (1*10^-6 kg), when completely reacted with 1 milligram of matter (total mass = 2*10^-6 kg) releases m*c^2 J of energy = 2*10^-6 * (3*10^8)^2 = 1.8*10^11 J, or 180 GIGAJOULES!. That is immense (I would work out the equivalence in tonnes of TNT, but I don't know the conversion factor, so I can't compare it to nuclear weapons). Antimatter is the second most destructive force in the universe (black holes coming first), so it should be in the Harbinger, not in the Tsunami. It would probably take a nuke the size of a supermarket to equal that.

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Posted by BananaOfTheNight on 11-04-2002 12:30 PM:

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Posted by Deathstorm on 11-04-2002 06:47 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ~[)ragon~
I say just shoot the ships at light speed at the destroyers and rip them to bits LOL maybe 2 fighters could decimate a cruier at that speed! one going head on could probaly go right through the front and out the back HAHA that'd be hilarious! but the problem with this theroy or solution is that the terran havnt thought of that! just imagine sending an aeoulus full speed into a sathanas! haha easy fixing's for big problems

I doubt it'd do much. You'd just punch a fighter -sized and -shaped hole in the ship, like I said earlier.

It'd look good though.

Someone should try it.

Very soon.

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Posted by Deathstorm on 11-04-2002 06:47 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ~[)ragon~
I say just shoot the ships at light speed at the destroyers and rip them to bits LOL maybe 2 fighters could decimate a cruier at that speed! one going head on could probaly go right through the front and out the back HAHA that'd be hilarious! but the problem with this theroy or solution is that the terran havnt thought of that! just imagine sending an aeoulus full speed into a sathanas! haha easy fixing's for big problems

I doubt it'd do much. You'd just punch a fighter -sized and -shaped hole in the ship, like I said earlier.

It'd look good though.

Someone should try it.

Very soon.

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Posted by karajorma on 11-04-2002 08:15 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by BananaOfTheNight
How come they made an antimatter bomb do less damage than an 'ordinary' nuke? If you work it out, one milligram of antimatter (1*10^-6 kg), when completely reacted with 1 milligram of matter (total mass = 2*10^-6 kg) releases m*c^2 J of energy = 2*10^-6 * (3*10^8)^2 = 1.8*10^11 J, or 180 GIGAJOULES!. That is immense (I would work out the equivalence in tonnes of TNT, but I don't know the conversion factor, so I can't compare it to nuclear weapons). Antimatter is the second most destructive force in the universe (black holes coming first), so it should be in the Harbinger, not in the Tsunami. It would probably take a nuke the size of a supermarket to equal that.

Who says that's the amount of antimatter in the bomb? Anti mater is very hard to make and contain. I remember hearing that you can use antimatter to increase the yield of a nuclear weapon. Maybe that's what's going on in the bomb

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Posted by karajorma on 11-04-2002 08:15 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by BananaOfTheNight
How come they made an antimatter bomb do less damage than an 'ordinary' nuke? If you work it out, one milligram of antimatter (1*10^-6 kg), when completely reacted with 1 milligram of matter (total mass = 2*10^-6 kg) releases m*c^2 J of energy = 2*10^-6 * (3*10^8)^2 = 1.8*10^11 J, or 180 GIGAJOULES!. That is immense (I would work out the equivalence in tonnes of TNT, but I don't know the conversion factor, so I can't compare it to nuclear weapons). Antimatter is the second most destructive force in the universe (black holes coming first), so it should be in the Harbinger, not in the Tsunami. It would probably take a nuke the size of a supermarket to equal that.

Posted by Stealth on 11-04-2002 11:17 PM:

those figures and numbers are confusing me

Posted by ~[)ragon~ on 11-05-2002 05:11 AM:

quote:
I doubt it'd do much. You'd just punch a fighter -sized and -shaped hole in the ship, like I said earlier.

well i dunno i think it would first of all put a huge crator right through the spot where it hit then go through or blow up on impact smashing the ship to bits... haha just imagine sending the ship collosus at the sathans... total chaos!

Posted by ~[)ragon~ on 11-05-2002 05:11 AM:

quote:
I doubt it'd do much. You'd just punch a fighter -sized and -shaped hole in the ship, like I said earlier.

Posted by ChronoReverse on 11-05-2002 07:09 AM:

Tritium injection is used to increase the power of thermonuclear weapons. Antimatter isn't used for weapons at all right now.

A gram of antimatter is enough to do some major damage.

According to the tech room in FS1, the Tsunami is an antimatter weapon. However, the laterand mor powerful Harbinger bombs are thermonuclear. I still find this to be a minor nag point about Freespace.

Incidentally, the power of nuclear weapons come from the tiny amounts of mass that is missing after a fusion or fission reaction. This amount is extremely small but yields the power of the nuke. If you had the equivalent amount of antimatter as the amount that disappears in a nuclear explosion and react that antimatter with an equal amount of opposite matter, the energy released is twice that of the nuke.

Posted by ChronoReverse on 11-05-2002 07:09 AM:

Posted by karajorma on 11-05-2002 08:57 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ChronoReverse
Tritium injection is used to increase the power of thermonuclear weapons. Antimatter isn't used for weapons at all right now.

A gram of antimatter is enough to do some major damage.

According to the tech room in FS1, the Tsunami is an antimatter weapon. However, the laterand mor powerful Harbinger bombs are thermonuclear. I still find this to be a minor nag point about Freespace.

Incidentally, the power of nuclear weapons come from the tiny amounts of mass that is missing after a fusion or fission reaction. This amount is extremely small but yields the power of the nuke. If you had the equivalent amount of antimatter as the amount that disappears in a nuclear explosion and react that antimatter with an equal amount of opposite matter, the energy released is twice that of the nuke.

Yep. I'm aware of that. I said that I'd heard that antimatter can be used to increase the yield of a weapon. Not that it is. Unfortunately it was only mentioned as a throw-away line in a documentry about nuclear weapons so I don`t know much about how it would work.

Yes. A gram of anti matter may do an enormous amount of damage but how easy is it to make a gram of anti matter? The big news in anti-matter research a year or two back was that scientists had managed to make 11 atoms of anti-hydrogen. Thats 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (5x10^22) times less than a grams worth.

If the GTVA is making anti-matter weapons it's obvious that there have been advances in the production and storage of anti-matter but how much of an improvement? Can they make enough anti-matter to equal a nuke (especially considering that the GTVA almost certainly uses H-bombs rather than less powerful fission bombs)?
Remember that a H-Bomb is quite easy to store. If the magnetic field you are using to contain the anti-matter ever loses power you can say goodbye to half your destroyer. Maybe the GTVA can only store smaller amounts of antimatter safely.

Posted by karajorma on 11-05-2002 08:57 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ChronoReverse
Tritium injection is used to increase the power of thermonuclear weapons. Antimatter isn't used for weapons at all right now.

A gram of antimatter is enough to do some major damage.

According to the tech room in FS1, the Tsunami is an antimatter weapon. However, the laterand mor powerful Harbinger bombs are thermonuclear. I still find this to be a minor nag point about Freespace.

Incidentally, the power of nuclear weapons come from the tiny amounts of mass that is missing after a fusion or fission reaction. This amount is extremely small but yields the power of the nuke. If you had the equivalent amount of antimatter as the amount that disappears in a nuclear explosion and react that antimatter with an equal amount of opposite matter, the energy released is twice that of the nuke.

Posted by Deathstorm on 11-05-2002 11:31 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ~[)ragon~

well i dunno i think it would first of all put a huge crator right through the spot where it hit then go through or blow up on impact smashing the ship to bits... haha just imagine sending the ship collosus at the sathans... total chaos!

The point is, speed isn't everything. If you go too fast, the target won't absorb the energy of the impact. Optimal ramming speed is probably between .6 and .8C. Above that, energy absorbtion should decrease dramatically for every .1C.

The colossus is a good idea though.

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Posted by Deathstorm on 11-05-2002 11:31 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ~[)ragon~

well i dunno i think it would first of all put a huge crator right through the spot where it hit then go through or blow up on impact smashing the ship to bits... haha just imagine sending the ship collosus at the sathans... total chaos!

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Posted by Someone on 11-05-2002 02:45 PM:

...

Maybe it is just me, but...

Wouldn't a vessel be torn to shreds after it reaches a certain speed? The hull must be able to withstand the forces in play, not to mention space debris like dustmotes and such...

(I know...maybe too realistic here, but still...)

And a fighter-shaped hole...all is well, but you have to aim for something important then for optimum damage...and scrificing yourself isn't too handy for your carreer...

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Posted by Someone on 11-05-2002 02:45 PM:

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Posted by ChronoReverse on 11-05-2002 02:51 PM:

While modern technology has yet to produce large quantities of atomic antimatter (and no molecular) we routinely produce plenty of anti-protons and anti-electrons in the beam for the particle accelerators. Way more than a gram's worth by now.

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