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They have cased the flags.

Yes you heard me right - they have cased the flags.


The last time they cased the flag was Perl Harbor. It can mean only one time - War. We're taking the gloves off ladies and gentlemen

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on't understand what "cased the flags" means in this contex. Could someone explain it to me.

The last time they 'cased the flags' was after Pearl Harbor

It means a declairation of war is coming

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Yes WAR!!

War is the best way to get your points across and some people wont like my idea on this because of what happened, but war serves as a population control, animals have preditors and we have war.

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The military leader in Afghanistan just vowed full cooperation

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I'd hate to see if they had said anything other than full co-operation. The combined might of an enraged country and an enraged world is most likely about to be unleashed.

The implications are enourmous, and right now, its probably a bad time to be a terrorist.

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No ****. I say when the peoples who did this are found we should give them to the mob and sit back and watch the disembowling.

Zoobafoo, shut up.....

I think the people responsible should be strung up by their toe nails and tortured, sure. But nuking a country when the enemy is a bunch of terrorists, who we still THINK, only THINK, is Bin Laden.

Nuking a country....full of civilians isnt going to sovle anything but the launching of more nukes. Think what will happen if even ONE of todays nukes go off.....radioactive city for a couple months? YEARS?

Smarten up.

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That is what I'm saying to you now. As Strider said, using nukes doesn't solve anything. It will only cause a circle of events which will only lead into a more disastrous acts. I don't want to say anything... but Zoobafoo, really dude. Stop talking like that...

As it seems the USA considers itself to be in a war against an unknown enemy. Even if all leads are pointed to this Osama bin Laden guy, it just seems too obvious. United States should use a lot of time in investigations and then strike back when the people responsible for this act are 100% known.

And IceFire is right. Terrorists will be having a hard time after this and I'm certain that innocent civilians will suffer more than the terrorists when the time comes...

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Yep, cool head is something we all need right now... This thing has to be dug up with its deep, rotten roots and conserved into a gint glass can to be wondered by the generations that come after us. This may not happen again .
Mistakes of the past just repeat all over and over... Will we be the generation which puts an end to this continuum? I doubt that, violence and disrespect to life must be somewhere deep in our DNA, in our bodies and minds but not in our soul... Violence-free society is only a beautiful dream.

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Nukes are the worst thing that could happen, there is only one suspected country that has nukes which is Pakistan. If nukes r used it would alienate all countries and i mean all against who ever it is (including America). They would almost certainly use air and cruise missle strikes and maybe eventualy invade.

The one good think that could happen is all of the small violent countries will become a lot less violent and more peaceful, well with the threat of NATO attacking and invading them if they aren't.
After the attacks are over there is a good chance there will be a peace between most countries in the world.

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Ah War !
The time when the strong live out their emotions and the innocent civilians suffer of the madness of the world's politicians.

So what now ? Military operations ? Actually , there are perhaps hundreds of guilty terrorists behind this act of terror , but military actions will - we know the Yanks and their prez - only lead to the suffering of innocent civilians in these "bad" countries like Iraq , Iran , Afghanistan , Libya .
They may have "evil" government , but the people who live their , the peasants and the farmers have nothing to do with this act of terror . Most of them don't even know that a building called the WORLD TRADE CENTER ever existed . And now ? Kill em all coz they don't like America ? Annihilate them coz they think differently than we from the western civilizations ?
Has anyone of you ever been to these countries ? What do you know about the people who live there ? Do you really think th only thing they do is burning US flags and building bombs for use against the US and Europe ?
Oh , I am sure many americans now want retribution . They want military actions on grand scale to enjoy the illusion the guilty ones got what they deserved .

WAR is the wrong way to react to terror . Well , I am german , I have friends in America and this act of terror was against us all . But it is not the time for blind acts of retribution.

We are all angry . But the world isn't as simple as we want to see it. We poor industrial nations , terrorised by insane muslims who all just do this coz they have too much free time ?

War is poor. War is terrible . Oh , not for us, we are sitting confortable in front of our TV watching CNN reports and enjoying the glorious triumph of the just cause, but terrible for the people in those eastern countries with their "bad" governments . The inhabitants of these countries will be the true victims of terror in the end. And actually , imagine you are a peasant in Iraq. From time to time those strange countries like the USA - you have never been there and you dont know how people live there - come over with tanks and helicopters . They seize land . They fight on YOUR territory against your country . They are participating in a war far beyond their own territory , they are pursuing their inzterests . You have learned to read and write , but the only thing you do in your life is ensuring your familiy has enough to eat and praying to allah for better times.
And then , from time to time these western countries like this so called USA come over with troops and spread terror .

My friends . there are GUILTY people , but only a few of them in the lead of these countries . The people there are uneducated and poor . They have nothing do do with it . I am not surprised they hate america and the western world , coz they dont know better .
WE should know better . But we prefer to have some excited CNN reports of war going on . We are the victims , but very soon we will become guilty and we will never get aware of that.

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Yes skullar i completly agree with you but this will inevitably come down to a military situation.
I ONLY Hope that they do not only find the pople responsible but there is a massive crackdown on terrorism or this will happen again.
Get rid of the taliban and any other goverment that harbors terrorists thru any action neccessary because otherwise this will happen again.

Well I certainly hope they pound those responsible into the ground, but attacking civilian targets in a city is not the way to do it.

Unfortunately, there isn't much in the way of legitimate targets to hit. Hopefully they find Osama's training camps and make those a pit in the ground.

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Skullar... first and foremost, other than zoobafoo, I know of no one over here that advocates nuking the Middle East or going on a conventional weapons rampage and killing everyone in a particular country, because that would be insane. We want to eliminate the parties who were behind the attacks and anyone who aids them, nothing more. I really don't understand how you presume to know what all Americans want.
"They want military actions on grand scale to enjoy the illusion the guilty ones got what they deserved" ....True, we do want the guilty ones to get what they deserve, whether that requires military action on a "grand scale", small covert operations, or another course of action, it doesn't really matter because we aren't going to act until we have some proof of who did it and we know exactly who we need to go after, so there will be no illusion involved. Is it possible that people not involved with the terrorists could be hurt?.... Of course it's possible, but I think taking that chance is much better than doing nothing and thereby validating these types of horrendous acts as a weapon that can be used over and over again.
Secondly, I don't appreciate and take offense to the stereotyping of Americans that you seem to use so often. You ask whether we have been to any of those Middle Eastern countries and know what those people are like. Well, I can only ask, have you ever been here? If so, you must not have interacted with anyone because you certainly don't seem to know what we're like. You say you have friends here in America, yet I find that hard to believe as you don't seem to have much respect for us at all. "- we know the Yanks and their prez - ".... I don't want to get personally insulting, but I can find no other word to describe that statement but ignorant. Our President hasn't even been in office long enough for us to truly know him or what he'll do, so how on God's green Earth could you possibly "know" him? Our President hasn't even taken any military action since he's been in office, so for you to say that any action us "Yanks" and our "prez" take now will invariably lead to innocent people suffering as if we want it, or just don't care, is absolutely insulting.
Thirdly, your use of the Gulf War as an example of the US spreading "terror" in the Middle East is an extremely poor choice. May I remind you that the US was only one of many nations that saw fit to do something about the situation. Would you say that we should have done nothing? That Iraq should have been allowed to overrun Kuwait and rape and pilage the innocent citizens of that country to their heart's content, just in order to prevent any suffering on the part of the Iraqi people? Plus there is a fundamental difference between the troops of the US and our allies and those of the Iraqi army. When we take prisoners we follow the Geneva convention and the rules of war, they do not. The people of Kuwait were horribly mistreated by the Iraqi soldiers. It was common for them, while occupying a town, to beat and rape the inhabitants for no other reason than they could. Not to mention the allied soldiers that were taken prisoner during the conflict. Many of them were beaten severly during captivity and I know of a couple female pilots who were interveiwed and said that they were violated repeatedly. The government of Iraq is indeed "bad". It is a tyranical dictatorship, it is organised crime, and I believe they do more harm to their own people than we have ever done.
And those are my thoughts.

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The americans are spreading terror in the middle east.
I didnt say they are doing this , I said they are doing from the point of view the people THERE have. Of course Hussein harms his own people . But relevant is what they FEEL and what they THINK and not what really is.

Is "Yank" an insult ? Call me a "Kraut" then.

No matter what you think of it. I am feeling uncomfortable with BUSH as President right now.

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Originally posted by Skullar
I am feeling uncomfortable with BUSH as President right now.

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Oh ****! Those idiots did it.

No I don't like Bush either....but he hasn't been as bad as I thought he would be...and when I saw him give the speeches on Tuesday that he gave....I couldn't help but feel sympathy.

He hasn't rushed into the next step yet....so whatever is done next....will have been calculated more than reactionary.

Anyways, with regards to this thread, keep it orderly...talking is good so long as you don't start a flamewar. Do so and I will close the thread.

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Can someone explain the tradition of "casing the flags" to me? I know (from the previous posts) that it amounts to preparation for or a declaration of war, but why?

When did it all start and why? Being from the UK, the reference I have to flags being cased is when a British colony achieves independence and - during the independence ceremony - the Union Jack is lowered and put in a case to be sent back to Britain. This is also known as "casing the flag" - hence my interest.

By the way - just to put my oar in - everyone is going on about the US doing something extreme and losing sympathy. I really hope they don't. Ideally I'd like an overwhelming response aimed at the RIGHT people. By overwhelming, I mean something so effective that the perpetrators will be unable to withstand it and it will lead them and their supporters to see that atrocities like those we have seen this week have consequences too severe to be worth doing. That's where I think we (and please note, I say "we") went wrong in the Gulf - we didn't finish the job.

Whether that's possible remains to be seen but the one thing that really makes me feel proud for the Yanks (and I do feel proud) is seeing the spirit with which they have pulled together. By this I mean the hundreds of heroic rescue and emergency services workers risking everything to help survivors and recover the dead and the touching scenes of ordinary people clapping and cheering them on.

What courage must it take to rush into a burning skyscraper to rescue someone, knowing that you may very well die in the attempt? I honestly don't know if I could do it (but I hope so).

Bush said that it was time the world saw what America were made of and we've certainly seen that over the past couple of days.

Let's make the RIGHT people pay for this.

President bush? hmmm I think the man is probably the less inteligent of the US presidents so far. I cant help in thinking that others in the goverment seem to take attitudes that the president should have. I didnt like his speaches, needs more conviction and strength, lacks incentive and moral support for the people. Too lame too basic and too obvious. The only thing i liked is that he showd symphty and deep feeling by crying. dont get me wrong, you can be strong and show some sympathy as well.

As to the actions to be taken, its tragic but some inocent people will pay along with the terrorits and their supporters. its impossible to avoid it. But something quite significative has to be made or else they will be convinced that they can sit back and send more 'remote control' bombs while eating pop corn and watch the sad show.

Did you think that when there was WWII all in germany were nazi fanatics? a large percentage of inocent payd the price of a fight aginst tirany and anihilation and terror. It was a legitimate war and I think this one will be as well. Of course special care has to be taken not to escalate and I think it is been taken. even russia is attending to NATO meetings and china has showed sympathy.these have a common enemy: terrorism.
Sure innocent will pay as well but think how many more can be saved if terrorists dont have so much room to breath and start to hesitate before trying to pull another one off. They will never do petty jobs here and there again,the trend is to make the largest mess, impact and propaganda possible. Ween need to put a brake in to this.