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Posted by kasperl on 11-18-2002 04:01 PM:

IIRC they speak about a nuetron star on the spot of capella (somewhere, dont know where), so, no black hole. i once did a paper about black holes, (it`s in dutch, otherwise i would have maild it to you, ns33), but if they're would be one on that spot, it would give more problems then just the radiation!

another question,what would the rad levels inside a ship be, since they don`t appear to have any rad shielding, it would result in some problems to! and can someone smarter then me please calculate what the result would be of being exposed to background rad for a long period (starting at around 10 years or so)???cause thats just what will happen, the only thing directly caused by the supernova is that the ozon layer is gone because of nitrogen oxides. and for a planet like earth it will take 100 years to repair that.
and karajorma, i'm gonna read the paper later on. now, i'm just to tired.

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Posted by karajorma on 11-18-2002 07:22 PM:

FS ships must have quite thick radiation shielding. The have to be able to stand up to all kinds of radiation. If they weren`t built with heavy radiation shielding you could take them out fairly easily by exploding a nuke at a distance.

I also seem to remember something being said about the shielding systems on bombers also shielding the ship from the radiation from the bombs.

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Posted by karajorma on 11-18-2002 07:22 PM:

FS ships must have quite thick radiation shielding. The have to be able to stand up to all kinds of radiation. If they weren`t built with heavy radiation shielding you could take them out fairly easily by exploding a nuke at a distance.

I also seem to remember something being said about the shielding systems on bombers also shielding the ship from the radiation from the bombs.

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Posted by ns33 on 11-18-2002 11:28 PM:

The best way to represent the protection offered by the sun's and the earth's own magnetic field is through sun flares. Every once in a while, these flares are large enough to disrupt earth. Satellites in orbit are affected by this electromagnetic radiation, but the poles divert this energy outward. As the reach the far side of the earth, they come back and magnetically affect the poles... NASA mad a short clip on this somewhere (if someone could find).

Did you know that the pyramids in Egypt actually TRAPS gamma and x-rays INSIDE the chambers? An explorer would be fried if he/she stayed inside for more than 7 hours. (Not sure how that was relevant though )

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Posted by ns33 on 11-18-2002 11:28 PM:

The best way to represent the protection offered by the sun's and the earth's own magnetic field is through sun flares. Every once in a while, these flares are large enough to disrupt earth. Satellites in orbit are affected by this electromagnetic radiation, but the poles divert this energy outward. As the reach the far side of the earth, they come back and magnetically affect the poles... NASA mad a short clip on this somewhere (if someone could find).

Did you know that the pyramids in Egypt actually TRAPS gamma and x-rays INSIDE the chambers? An explorer would be fried if he/she stayed inside for more than 7 hours. (Not sure how that was relevant though )

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Posted by karajorma on 11-18-2002 11:49 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ns33
Did you know that the pyramids in Egypt actually TRAPS gamma and x-rays INSIDE the chambers? An explorer would be fried if he/she stayed inside for more than 7 hours. (Not sure how that was relevant though )


You got a link to a reputable source for that one? I find it hard to believe that any gamma or x-ray powerful enough to pass through several feet of stone would not be able to simply pass through to the other side.

Add to that the fact that no one mentioned this to me before I actually went inside the damn thing

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Posted by karajorma on 11-18-2002 11:49 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ns33
Did you know that the pyramids in Egypt actually TRAPS gamma and x-rays INSIDE the chambers? An explorer would be fried if he/she stayed inside for more than 7 hours. (Not sure how that was relevant though )


You got a link to a reputable source for that one? I find it hard to believe that any gamma or x-ray powerful enough to pass through several feet of stone would not be able to simply pass through to the other side.

Add to that the fact that no one mentioned this to me before I actually went inside the damn thing

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Posted by ns33 on 11-19-2002 12:17 AM:

It was on National Geographic Explorer two years back... the design of the thing somehow traps radiation (it might take a while to look for the source where I got that, but its out there somewhere).

And now we're starting to digress

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Posted by ns33 on 11-19-2002 12:17 AM:

It was on National Geographic Explorer two years back... the design of the thing somehow traps radiation (it might take a while to look for the source where I got that, but its out there somewhere).

And now we're starting to digress

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Posted by kasperl on 11-19-2002 07:25 PM:

link of karajorma

excuse me, but my english isn't THAT good. my normal english is reasonable, but my scientific english is terrible, so can someone explain to me, very simply put, what this guy is tryinbg to explain???
for what i could understand, earth is toast, according to this. but i would like to discuss this a little deeper, perhaps someone as a link to a SIMPLE text pn this???

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Posted by kasperl on 11-19-2002 07:25 PM:

link of karajorma

excuse me, but my english isn't THAT good. my normal english is reasonable, but my scientific english is terrible, so can someone explain to me, very simply put, what this guy is tryinbg to explain???
for what i could understand, earth is toast, according to this. but i would like to discuss this a little deeper, perhaps someone as a link to a SIMPLE text pn this???

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Posted by karajorma on 11-19-2002 10:10 PM:

Unfortunately that one was the best I could find. If someone does know one in more plain English I would be glad to see it too.

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Posted by Someone on 11-20-2002 03:40 PM:

...wha?

And Kasparl, if ye could post the thingy from "Kijk", I could try an translate it.

And can anyone here post me that link of KaraJorma's? COuldn't find it...

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Posted by Someone on 11-20-2002 03:40 PM:

...wha?

And Kasparl, if ye could post the thingy from "Kijk", I could try an translate it.

And can anyone here post me that link of KaraJorma's? COuldn't find it...

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Posted by kasperl on 11-20-2002 08:48 PM:

translation

i'll see what i can do, i'll try and scan it with OCR, cuzz it`s a bit to much type out! i haven't got much time this week. so it`s gonna be a couple of days before i got it.

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Posted by kasperl on 11-20-2002 08:48 PM:

translation

i'll see what i can do, i'll try and scan it with OCR, cuzz it`s a bit to much type out! i haven't got much time this week. so it`s gonna be a couple of days before i got it.

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Posted by karajorma on 11-20-2002 09:41 PM:

[URL=http://homepage.ntlworld.com/karajorma/freespace/SuperNovaRisksToEarth.txt]Here[/URL] it is again

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Posted by Someone on 11-21-2002 10:07 AM:

Thankee, KaraJorma!

And I'll get it when I get it, right, Kasparl?

Oh well...waiting is okay, I think...

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Posted by Someone on 11-21-2002 10:07 AM:

Thankee, KaraJorma!

And I'll get it when I get it, right, Kasparl?

Oh well...waiting is okay, I think...

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Posted by kasperl on 11-21-2002 08:18 PM:

i'll be back, in a week or so. homework is killing me. i'll try to do some reading on this. but i haven't got the time.

I'LL BE BACK

(but it's gonna take a while)

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